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13 ÿíâàðÿ 2005 16:10 Ðàñøèôðîâàë òî ÷òî ñìîã èç íàéäåííîé ïàïêè. âîò ÷òî ïîëó÷èëîñü: ------------- Î åâðåéñêèõ êîëîíèñòàõ Íîâîðîññèéñêèõ ãóáåðíèé. Äåëî. Ïî ïðåäïèñàíèþ Ãë. ìèíèñòðà Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ èìóùåñòâ ïðåïðîâîæäàåì ïðîøåíèå Ìèòàâñêèõ åâðååâ: Ëåâèíà Áåðà Áåðíøòàìà, Íàõìàíà Ãèðøà Ãîëüäèíãåðà è ßíêåëÿ Ñîëîìîíà Ôåëüäìàíà, èçúÿâèâøèõ æåëàíèå ïåðåñåëèòüñÿ â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ - ïðè ýòîì ïðîøåíèè òàêæå ïðèñëàíî ïðîøåíèå 32õ ãðîäíåíñêèõ åâðååâ. 1839 ã. ------------------------------------------------ Ìèíèñòåðñòâî Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ èìóùåñòâ Ïåðâûé äåïàðòàìåíò 27 àïðåëÿ 1839 ã. Ñ ïðåïðîâîæäåíèåì äâóõ ïðîøåíèé åâðååâ î ñêîðåéøåì ïåðåñåëåíèè â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ. Ãîñïîäèíó èñïîëíÿþùåìó îáÿçàííîñòè Íîâîðîññèéñêîãî è Áåññàðàáñêîãî Ãåíåðàë Ãóáåðíàòîðà. Èç Ìèíèñòåðñòâà Âíóòðåííèõ äåë ïåðåñëàíû â âåðåííîå ìíå Ìèíèñòåðñòâî äâà ïðîøåíèÿ. Ïåðâîå ??? ??? îò åâðååâ Ëåâèíà Áåðà Áåðíøòàìà, Íàõìàíà Ãèðøà Ãîëüäèíãåðà è ßíêåëÿ Ñîëîìîíà Ôåëüäìàíà è äðóãîå 32 Ãðîäíåíñêèõ åâðååâ â êîòîðûõ îíè èçëàãàÿ ÷òî ïî ñëó÷àþ ïðèãîòîâëåíèÿ åùå â 1837 ã ê ïåðåñåëåíèþ â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ îíè òåðïÿò íóæäó è ëèøèëèñü âñåõ ñðåäñòâ ê èñïðàâíîìó ïëàòåæó ëåæàùèõ íà íèõ êàçåííûõ ïîâèíîñòåé è äàæå ê ïðîïèòàíèþ, ïðîñÿò ñêîðåéøåãî ðàçðåøåíèÿ ê ïåðåñåëåíèþ èõ â Õåðñîíñêóþ Ãóáåðíèþ. Èìåÿ ââèäó Âûñî÷àéøåëå ïîâåëåíèÿ, ñîîáíùåííîå ìíîþ Âàøåìó Ïðåâîñõîäèòåëüñòâó îò 31 îêòÿáðÿ ìèíóâøåãî 1838 ã., êîèì âñå ïåðâîíà÷àëüíîâ âîäâîðåíèå è óñòðîéñòâî åâðååâ â íîâîì èõ ñîñòîÿíèè çåìëåäåëüöåâ ïðåäîñòàâëåíî íåïîñðåäñòâåííî Íîâîðîññèéñêîìó è Áåññàðàáñêîìó Ãåíåðàë Ãóáåðíàòîðó, ÿ èìåþ ÷åñòü ïðåïðîâîäèòü ê Âàì, Ìèëîñòèâûé Ãîñóäàðü, îçíà÷åíûÿ äâà ïðîøåíèÿ åâðååâ äëÿ çàâèñÿùåãî ñî ñòîðîíû Âàøåé ðàñïîðÿæåíèÿ. Ìèíèñòð Ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî èìóùåñòâà, Ãåíåðàë Àäüþòàíò ..... -------------------------------------------------- 19 èþíÿ 1839 ã. Ãîñïîäèíó Ðèæñêîìó Âîåííîìó Ãóáåðíàòîðó è Ãåíåðàë Ãóáåðíàòîðó Ëèôëÿíäñêîìó,Ýñòëÿíäñêîìó, Êóðëÿíäñêîìó  ??? Ïðàâèòåëüñòâóþùåãî ñåíàòà 20 íîÿáðÿ 1836 ã. èçúÿñíåíî Âûñî÷àéøåå ïîâåëåíèå îòïðàâèòü ê âîäâîðåíèþ â Ñèáèðü åâðååâ çåìëåäåëüöåâ, êîè èçúÿâèëè æåëàíèå ïåðåñåëèòüñÿ òóäà. Ïî âûñî÷àéøåìó ïîâåëåíèþ âìåíÿëîñü â îáÿçàííîñòü Ãóáåðíèÿì íà÷àëüñòâîì Ñèáèðè, ÷òîáû îíè ïðèìåíÿÿñü(?) ê ïðàâèëàì î âîäâîðåíèè ïîñåëåíöåâ â Ñèáèðü è áëàãîïðîÿòñòâîâàëè ýòèì ê ïîñòðîåíèþ èçá äëÿ ïåðåñåëåíöåâ åâðååâ äî ïðèáûòèÿ èõ â Ñèáèðü; òàêæå ÷òîáû êàæäîå ñåìåéñòâî ñíàáæåíî áûëî çà ñ÷åò êàçíû çåìëåäåëü÷åñêèìè îðóäèÿìè, ðàáî÷èì ñêîòîì è ïðî÷èìè íåîáõîäèìûìè äîìàøíèìè âåùàìè, íà ïðîäîâîëüñòâèå èõ îòïóñêàòü äî íîâîãî óðîæàÿ ïðîâèàíò ??? ??? ïîëîâèíó ïåðåä ???.  îòíîøåíèè ??? ìèíèñòðà âíóòðåííèõ äåë ê Íîâîðîññèéñêîìó è Áåññàðàáñêîìó Ãåíåðàë Ãóáåðíàòîðó îò ??? 1837 ã/N 495/ ñîîáùàþ âûñî÷àéøåå ïîâåëåíèå î ïðåêðàùåíèè ïîñåëåíèÿ åâðååâ â Ñèáèðè è ÷òîáû ñåëèòü èõ íà ïðàâèëàõ èçîáðàæåíûõ â ïîëîæåíèè 13 àïðåëÿ 1835 ã. â Íîâîðîññèéñêîì êðàþ. Òàêèå ïàðòèè åâðååâ , êîòîðûå áûëî îòïðàâèëèñü ïî æåëàíèþ â Ñèáèðü è íàõîäèëèñü â ïóòè, à ðàâíî êîè ïðèíÿâ íàìåðåíèå ïåðåñåëèòüñÿ íà ïðåäíàçíà÷åííûõ èì â Ñèáèðè çåìëè , ñîáðàëèñü â ïóòü è ðàñïðîäàëè èìóùåñòâî îáðàòèòü â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ äëÿ âîäâîðåíèÿ â åâðåéñêèõ êîëîíèÿõ, íàäåëèòü çåìëåþ èç äà÷ (?) ïðè òåõ êîëîíèÿõ è äàðîâàâ ìèíèñòåðñòâîì ??? ??? ïîñîáèÿ íà ïðîäîâîëüñòâèå è ïîñåëåíèå,òàê ðàâíî è âñå äðóãèå ëüãîòû è âûãîäû, êîòîðûå áûëè ïðåäíàçíà÷àëèñü ïðè îòïðàâëåíèè â Ñèáèðü è ïîñåëèòü òàì ??? íà îñíîâàíèè óñòàâà î Åâðåÿ 1835 ã è ïðàâèë 20 íîÿáðÿ 1836 ãîäà. Íà ðàñõîäû ïðè ïîñåëåíèè èõ ã-í Ìèíèñòð Ôèëàòîâ, ñîãëàñíî ðàçðåøåíèþ Êîëîíèàëüíîãî íà÷àëüñòâà çàâåäîâàâøåãî ??? Åâðåéñêèìè êîëîíèÿìè ïðåäïèñàë Õåðñîíñêîé Êàçåííîé Ïàëàòå îòïóñòèòü ïî 600 ðóá. íà âîäâîðåíèå êàæäîãî ñåìåéñòâà è ñâåðõ òîãî íóæíîå êîëè÷åñòâî äåíåã íà ïðîäîâîëüñòâèå èõ äî ïåðâîãî óðîæàÿ. Ïî Óñòàâó î åâðåÿõ 13 àâãóñòà 1835 ã. åâðåÿì çåìëåäåëüöàì ïîñåëÿþùèìñÿ íà þæíûõ çåìëÿõ äàþòñÿ ïðèâåëåãèè â ïîâèíîñòÿõ: ðåêðóòñêîé, ïîäóøíîé (?) è çåìíîé (?) è ñ íèõ ñëàãàþòñÿ ??? è íåäîèìêè; ïî??? íèõ ïîñîáèé ïðè âîäâîðåíèè èëè îòïóñêà ïðîâèàíòà äî íîâîãî óðîæàÿ îò êàçíû, ïî ïîñòàíîâëåíèþ òîìó èì íå ïîëàãàþòñÿ. ??? Ã. Ìèíèñòð Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûõ èìóùåñòâ ïðåïðîâîäèë ïîñòóïèâøåå â âåðåííîå åìó ìèíñèòåðñòâî ïðîøåíèå Ìèòòàâñêèõ åâðåå: Ëåâèíà Áåðêà Áåðíøòàìà, Íàõìàíà Êèðøà Ãîëüäèíãåðà è Ñîëîìîíà Ôåëüäìàíà â êîòîðîì ïðîñèòåëè ???, ÷òî îíè æäóò (?)ïåðåñåëåíèå â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ åùå ñ 1837 ãîäà ïðîñÿò î ñêîðåéøåì îêîí÷àíèè äåëà î òàêîì ïåðåñåëåíèè èõ. Òàê êàê ïî âûøå ïðèâåäåííûì ïîñòàíîâëåíèÿì, åâðåè êîòîðûå îòïðàâèëèñü áûëî â Ñèáèðü, à òàêæå òå, êîòîðûå ñîáðàëèñü â ïóòü è ðàñïðîäàëè ñâîå èìóùåñòâî äîëæíû áûòü ïîñåëåíû â Õåðñîíñêîé ãóáåðíèè ñ ïðèâèëåãèÿìè ïðåäîñòàâëåííûìè âîîáùå åâðåÿì ïðè ïîñåëåíèè ïîëîæåíèåì 13 àïðåëÿ 1835 ãîäà è ñ ïîñîáèåì îò êàçíû íàçíà÷åííûõ åâðååâ â óêàç îò 20 íîÿáðÿ 1836 ãîäà, à âñå ïðî÷èå åâðåè, êîè èçúÿâÿò âíîâü æåëàíèå ïåðåéòè â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ äëÿ ïîñåëåíèÿ íà êîëîíèÿõ ???, äîëæíû âîäâîðÿòüñÿ çà ñâîé ñ÷åò áåçî âñÿêîãî ïîñîáèÿ îò êàçíû íî ñ ïðèâèëåãèÿìè, òî ÿ ïîñòàâëÿþ ïîêîðíåéøå ïðîñèòü Âàøå ïðåâîñõîäèòåëüñòâî ïî÷òèòü ìåíÿ óâåäîìëåíèåì ??? èçâîëèòå ïðèçíàòü ??? ??? äâóõ ðàçðÿäà â ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ??? ïåðåñåëåíèå â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ èç Ìèòòàâû åâðååâ, òî åñòü ñëåäóåò ëè ïîñåëèòü èõ â ýòîé Ãóáåðíèè ñ ïîñîáèåì äåíåæíûì îò êàçíû èëè áåç îíîãî íî ñ ïðîâèçèåé???.
/ïîïðàâêà â ñòîðîíå, äðóãèì ïî÷åêðîì/ ???? ??? ??? ??? òî âåñüìà íåîáõîäèìî Õåðñîíñêîå ãóáåðíñêîå íà÷àëüñòâî è ðàñïîðÿäèòüñÿ îòíîñèòåëüíî Ìèòòàâñêèõ åâðååâ èëè ñ ïîñòðîåíèåì èì îò êàçíû èçá è ïîêàçíîãî íåîáðàòèìîãî äåíåæíîãî ??????????? äëÿ âîäâîðåíèÿ ???????????????? áóäóùèé óðîæàé íà ñâîé ñ÷åò ----------------------------------------------- 20 ôåâðàëÿ 1940 Åãî ñèÿòåëüñòâó Íîâîðîññèéñêîìó è Áåññàðàáñêîìó Ãåíåðàë Ãóáåðíàòîðó. ?? ?? ?? ?? Óïðàâëÿþùåãî Åâðåéñêèìè êîëîíèÿìè ?? ?? êîèõü â ?? ?? ?? ?? ïðàâèëà îò 10 îêòÿáðÿ 1839 ãîäà Íîìåð 8700 äîíîñèò ÷òî Ìèòòàâñêèå Åâðåè Ëåâèí Áåð Áåðíøòàì, Íàõìàí Ãèðø Ãîëüäèíãåð è ßíêåëü Ñîëîìîí Ôåëüäìàí â ??????????????????????????????? ïðèáûëè, âîäâîðèòü â êîëîíèè ìàëûé Íàãàðòîâ ????????/ âîäâîðåíèÿ ýòèõ åâðååâ ???????? ????????? Âàøåãî ñèÿòåëüñòâà êîèì ??? ??? ðàçðåøåíèåì ??? ??? Ïîäïîëêîâíèêà Äåìèäîâà, äàáû ÷ðåç íå ñâîåâðåìåíóþ âûñûëêó åìó äåíåã íå âñòðåòèëîñü ìåäëåííîñòè â ïîêóïêå Åâðåÿì âñåãî íóæíîãî ïî ïðèáûòèè èõ, ïðè÷åì äàñò çíàòü ÷òî Âàøå ñèÿòåëüñòâî 31 äåêàáðÿ 1839 ãîäà îòíåñëèñü ê Ðèæñêîìó,???, Ýñòëÿíäñêîìó, Ëèôëÿíäñêîìó è Êóðëÿíäñêîìó Ãåíåðàë Ãóáåðíàòîðó ñ ïðîñüáîé îá îòïðàâëåíèè ýòèõ åâðååâ â õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ è ñïðàâêó ïî êîòîðîé îêàçàëîñü: Ãîñïîäèí ??? ??? Âàøåãî ñèÿòåëüñòâà îò 29 àâãóñòà 1839 ãîäà çà íîìåðîì 14126 â ñëåäñòâèè îòçûâà Ãåíåðàë Ëåéòåíàíòà Áàðîíà Ôîí äåð???, ÷òî ... ... íà âûøå ïðèâåäåííîì îñíîâàíèè ïðè ñóùåñòâóþùèõ åâðåéñêèõ êîëîíèÿõ. Î ÷åì äàíî çíàòü Õåðñîíñêîé Êàçåííîé ïàëàòå îêòÿáðÿ 10 äíÿ 1839 ãîäà. ------------------------------------ Ãîñïîäèíó Õåðñîíñêîìó ãðàæäàíñêîìó ãóáåðíàòîðó ... îò 29îãî ... Âàøå ïðåâîñõîäèòåëüñòâî .... ????/ Ìèòòàâñêèå åâðåè - Ëåâèí Áåð Áåðíøòàì, Íàõìàí Ãèðø Ãîëäèíãåð è ßíêåëü Ñîëîìîí Ôåëüäìàí ???? ??????????????????????? ÷òî îçíà÷åííûå åâðåè îòïðàâëåíû â ??? ñ ïðî÷èìè åâðåÿìè ïåðåñåëÿþùèìèñÿ â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ ñ ïåðâîé ïàðòèåé âûñòóïèâøåé èç Ìèòòàâû ? ??? Ëåâèí Áåð Áåðøòàì è ßíêåëü Çàëìàí Ôåëüäìàí è ïî??? â ?? ïî?? 1 è 2ì, ïàñïîðò??èõ ?? ?? ??, à Íàõìàí Ãåðø Ãîëüäèíãåð îòïðàâëåííûé ñî âòîðîé ïàðòèåé ??? ??? ??? ?? â òîé ïàðòèè. Î âðåìåíè æå êîãäà òàêîâûå åâðåè áóäóò ïðèáûâàòü, à òàêæå è î ðàñïîðÿæåíèÿõ ê ??? è âîçâðàùåíèþ èõ íà ?? ?? ìåíÿ óâåäîìëÿòü. Ã.Í. è Á. Ã. Ãóáåðíàòîð. Èç îáðàùåíèÿ Íîâîðîññèéñêîãî è Áåñàðàáñêîãî ãåíåðàë ãóáåðíàòîðà
Óïðàâëÿþùåìó åâðåéñêèìè êîëîíèÿìè â Õåðñîíñêîé ãóáåðíèè ã.???? ??? 1ûé ïóíêò Çàÿâëåíèå ??? ??? ?? ??? îñíîâàíèè. -------------------------------------
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11 äåêàáðÿ 2005 16:06 Ñ ìîìåíòà íà÷àëà ýòîé òåìû ïðîøëî ìíîãî âðåìåíè, ïîÿâèëèñü íà ôîðóìå íîâûþ ëþäè, íå âñå çàãëÿäûâàþò â íà÷àëî, ïîÿâèëèñü íîâûå ñàéòû, ïîýòîìó ïîïûòàþñü çàíîâî ñäåëàòü îáçîð èíòåðíåò èñòî÷íèêîâ ïî åâðåéñêîé ãåíåàëîãèè Ñíà÷àëà, êàê ââåäåíèå - ÷àñòî âñòðåòèòå íà ñàéòàõ â ôîðìå ïîèñêà "Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex". Åñëè âû âûáèðàåòå òàêîé òèï ïîèñêà, ýòî çíà÷èò, ÷òî íàéäåò âàì íå òîëüêî çàäàííóþ ôàìèëèþ, íî è ïîõîæèå ïî çâó÷àíèþ. Ýòî î÷åíü ïîëåçíî, òàê êàê íà ðóññêîì, àíãëèéñêîì, èäèøå, èâðèòå ÷àñòî îäíà è òà æå ôàìèëèÿ ìîãëà ïèñàòüñÿ î÷åíü ïî ðàçíîìó Ãëàâíûé èñòî÷íèê: http://www.jewishgen.org×åãî òàì òîëüêî íåò: - http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/ áàçû äàííûõ – ìèëëèîíû çàïèñåé ïî Ïîëüøå, Áåëîðóññèè, Óêðàèíå. Èñêàòü íàäî ïî Soundex, å íå ïî Exact match, ò.ê. âû íå çíàåòå êàê íà àíãëèéñêîì çàïèñàëè ôàìèëèþ. Ñàóíäåêñ ïðèíåñåò è ïîõîæèå ïî çâó÷àíèþ - ïî÷òîâûå ðàññûëêè ïî ðåãèîíàì è ïîèñê è èõ àðõèâàõ. http://data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~archpop- Ïîèñê íàñåëåííîãî ïóíêòà ïî ïðèáëèçèòåëüíîìó íàçâàíèþ (ïðèãîäèòñÿ âñåì), http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/- JGFF - http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/ ïîèñê è ðåãèñòðàöèÿ (÷òîáû òåáÿ íàøëè) ïàðû - [ôàìèëèÿ, ãîðîä]. è ìíîãîå äðóãîå. È åùå óéìà âñåãî íà ýòîì ñàéòå!!! Òðåáóåò áåñïëàòíîé ðåãèñòðàöèè. http://www.rtrfoundation.org - ïîèñê êàêèå äîêóìåíòû ñîõðàíèëèñü â àðõèâàõ è ãäå îíè íàõîäÿòñÿ. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellisjw.html - ïîèñê ýìèãðàíòîâ â Øòàòû - êîíåö äåâÿòíàäöàòîãî, íà÷àëî äâàäöàòîãî âåêà Åùå îäèí õîðîøèé èñòî÷íèê - èíäåêñ óïîìèíàíèÿ ðàçíûõ ôàìèëèé - îáðàòèòå âíèìàíèå è íà ïîõîæèå ïî çâó÷àíèþ ôàìèëèè. http://www.avotaynu.com/csi/csi-home.html Áàçà äàííûõ ßä ÂàØåì - âåðòâû êàòàñòðîôû åâðîïåéñêîãî åâðåéñòâà http://www.yadvashem.org/wps/portal/IY_HON_EntranceÅâðåéñêèå ñåëüñêîõîçÿéñòâåííûå êîëîíèè þãà Ðîññèè. Åñëè Âàøè ïðåäêè èç Õåðñîíñêîé, Òàâðè÷åñêîé èëè Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêîé ãóáåðíèè, áîëüøîé øàíñ ÷òî îíè æèëè â ñåëüñêîõîçÿéñòâåííûõ êîëîíèÿõ. Èñòîðèÿ, ñïèñêè æèòåëåé è ò.ä. http://www.shtetlinks.jewishge.../index.htmÈñòîðèÿ åâðååâ â Ðîññèè http://history.pedclub.ru/russ/russ000.htmhttp://www.il4u.org.il/history/jew-book/ettinger1/index.htmhttp://www.il4u.org.il/history/dubnov/http://dlvmeste.chat.ru/index.htmhttp://www.usfamily.net/web/joseph/index.htmÅâðåéñêàÿ ýíöèêëîïåäèÿ http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jspÒàáëèöà èçìåíåíèé òåððèòîðèàëüíî àäìèíèñòðàòèâíîãî äåëåíèÿ Áåëîðóññèè http://www.jewishgen.org/belarus/borders_timeline.htmÊíèãè ïàìÿòè â îíëàéíå (èñòîðèè óíè÷òîæåííûõ îáùèí) http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/jws/yizkorbooks_intro.cfmGrand Duchy of Lithuania Research Project Àðõèâíûå äîêóìåíòû Ëèòâû (íûíåøíÿÿ ëèòâà è Áåëîðóññèÿ) ñåðåäèíû 18, íà÷àëà 19 âåêà. Ìîæåòå çàïëàòèòü è ïðèñîåäèíèòüñÿ ê íèì - ïîëó÷èòü òî, ÷òî ó íèõ óæå åñòü. http://www.jewishfamilyhistory.org/Articles on archival and genealogical research by Boris Feldblyum http://www.bfcollection.net/fast/articles.htmlFAST Genealogy Service http://www.bfcollection.net/fast.htmlâêëþ÷àÿ Russian-Japanese War of 1904-1905 Database of Russian Army Jewish soldiers injured, killed, or missing in action http://www.bfcollection.net/fast/rjmain.html Index to the First Eighteen Volumes of AVOTAYNU (òåìû îñâåùåííûå â àëüìàíàõå AVOTAYNU) http://www.avotaynu.com/subindex/indexur.htmöåíòð ãåíåàëîãèè ìóçåÿ äèàñïîðû http://www.bh.org.il/Genealogy/index.aspxÄîêóìåíòû ïî èñòîðèè åâðååâ â àðõèâàõ Óêðàèíû http://www.archives.gov.ua/NB/Culture_Jews.phpThe Israel Genealogical Society http://www.isragen.org.il/Êíèãà ïàìÿòè âîèíîâ åâðååâ http://www22.brinkster.com/zasalex/ | | |
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18 ÿíâàðÿ 2006 12:22Óñïåõ! Ïîçâîëüòå ïîäåëèòüñÿ ñ âàìè óñïåõîì. 1) Êàê ÿ îïèñûâàë êîãäà òî,ÿ ïðîñëåäèë ñâîèõ Áåðíøòàìîâ îò Êóðëÿíäèè, êàê îíè â 1843 ïåðååõàëè â Íîâûé Áåðèñëàâ Õåðñîíñêîé ãóáåðíèè, íàøåë ïåðåïèñü íàñåëåíèÿ 1858 â Íîâîì Áåðèñëàâå. 2) Íà ñâîåì ñàéòå îáî âñåõ Áåðíøòàìàõ ÿ óêàçûâàë, ÷òî åñòü Áåðíøòàìû êîòîðûå ïåðååõàëè â íà÷àëå 20 âåêà â Àðãåíòèíó (ÿ ïîëó÷àë ïèñüìî îò îäíîãî èç èõ ïîòîìêîâ), íî îòêóäà ïåðååõàëè - íåèçâåñòíî.
È âîò îáíàðóæèëñÿ ÷åëîâåê, êîòîðûé âñå ýòî ñâÿçàë âìåñòå è ñ èñòîðèåé ñâîåé ñåìüè è ïðåñëåäèë ñâîþ âåòî÷êó èç Àðãåíòèíû äî òîé ïåðåïèñè ìîåé ñåìüè â 1858!
Íàøëèñü ðîäñòâåííèêè, îáùèé ïðåäîê ñ êîòîðûìè ðîäèëñÿ îêîëî 1800! Îí ñàì, òîò, êîòîðûé ìåí íàïèñàë - 4õ þðîäíûé áðàò ìîåãî ïîêîéíîãî äåäóøêè.
Âîò öèòàòû èç åãî ïèñåì: ----------------------------------------------------------- My mother's family came from Berlislav (or Novo Berislav, as she used to said) in the Kherson Government, Ucraine, to Argentina in the erlier 1900's. (in your site: Argentina - arrived at the beginning of XX century from ??? ) The family was recorded here as BERENSTAM -I do not know how was the last name written in their documents when they arrived here-, but my mother (who born here in Argentina in 1912) remembered that the pronuntiation was quite different, as "Ber'n-sh-tam". Therefore I think it is highly possible that we both have the same ancestors. My grandfhater's name was Meyer Leib Berenstam and Sara Klein. As my mother told me (there are any paper to confirm the exact names) Meyer was the first son of Yankiel Berenstam and Rahel Rose Gotlieb; and Sara was the sixth daughter of xxx Klein and Rifke Gotlieb (by the way, I saw in your "1843 Nowo Berislav List translated by Pavel Bernshtam" those last names). Because the Meyer's first daughter born in 1888, I think he born in the 1850's and therefore it is possible that his father (Yankiel) was a member of one of those families that arrived in 1843 to Berislav ( perhaps which is mentioned in the census 1858, item D. Yankiel Bershtam [1835 - ?]). --------------------------------------------------------------------------
As I told you, Yankel's first son Meyer Leib came to Argentina in earlier 1900's (perhaps in 1908). He came with his wife Sara Klein and with their 10 children. Their names and birth dates (when I know it) are as follows: Julia (1888) - Yankel - Adolf - Bernard - Luise (1898) - Abram (1900) - Dvoira (1902) - Anthony (1904) - Isaac (1906) - Raoul (1908). They went to a farm place far from Buenos Aires and after three or four years of difficulties (floods, locust pest, wind storms) they moved to Buenos Aires city, where Meyer worked as shoemaker and his sons worked in turning lathe industry or as tailors. Those days (1912) my mother Guitel born. As you can imagine, Those 11 brothers had a lot of children: 27 in total, of which I am the penultimate. I was born in 1941 (64 years old); and I have a sister - Rosa (1935) a medicine doctor- and a brother - Mario (1938) a lawyer-. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Òîò ßíêåëü, ïðî êîòîðîãî îí ãîâîðèò ïðèñóòñòâóåò â ïåðåïèñè 1858 ãîäà - îí áðàò ìîåãî ïðàïðàïðàäåäóøêè. | | |
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4 îêòÿáðÿ 2006 15:11 Ó êîãî åñòü êíèãà "Àðõèâíûå ôîíäû è êîëëåêöèè èç èñòîðèè åâðååâ â àðõèâàõ Óêðàèíû"? Ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóþò åâðåéñêèå ôîíäû ïî Åëèçàâåòîãðàäó. --- Èùó: Ïîïîâûõ è Òîêàðåâûõ ( Ìîñêâà/Êàëóãà/Ìàëîÿðîñëàâåö),
Êðîìîù/ Êðîìûøåâûõ, Ñåíäåðèõèíûõ
Ìîé áëîã "Âÿçüìà åâðåéñêàÿ" http://jewish-vyazma.blogspot.com/
Ôîðóì "Åâðåéñêèå êîðíè" http://www.forum.j-roots.info/ | | |
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4 îêòÿáðÿ 2006 15:25 ß ÷èòàëà êíèãó ñ ïîõîæèì íàçâàíèåì,è îòñêàíèðîâàëà âñå ññûëêè, íàéäó äèñê è ïîñìîòðþ.Íî ìíå êàæåòñÿ òàì ðå÷ü èäåò â îñíîâíîì î Êèåâñêèõ àðõèâàõ è Êèåâñêîì ðàââèíàòå,
Åëèçàâåòîãðàä ýòî êàêîé ðàââèíàò? Ýòî î÷åíü âàæíî çíàòü,òàê êàê ìíîãèå äîêóìåíòû ñëîæåíû ïî ýòîìó ïðèçíàêó. ß íàïðèìåð î÷åíü äîëãî âûÿñíÿëà ê ÷åìó îòíîñèòñÿ Æìåðèíêà, âûÿñíèëîñü Áðàèëîâñêèé ðàââèíàò. | | |
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8 îêòÿáðÿ 2006 12:18 Kaaskop
Âåðîÿòíî Âàñ èíòåðåñóåò íå Åëèçàâåòîãðàä, à Åëèçàâåòãðàä. Âîò ÷òî òàì åñòü.
Ô. 18. ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêà ì³ñüêà äóìà, ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàä ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ñïðàâ: 567; 1789-1919 ðð. Ðåâ³çüê³ êàçêè êóïö³â, ì³ùàí, ðîá³òíèê³â, ºâðå¿â. Ñïèñêè êóïö³â ³ ì³ùàí (1811), ÷ëåí³â ºâðåéñüêîãî òîâàðèñòâà (1841), ºâðå¿â-ðåêðóò³â, ïðèéíÿòèõ íà â³éñüêîâó ñëóæáó, ïî÷åñíèõ ãðîìàäÿí ì³ñòà. Àëôàâ³òí³ ïîñ³ìåéí³ ñïèñêè ìåøêàíö³â ì³ñòà òà â³äîìîñò³ ïðî ¿õ ãðîìàäñüêèé ñòàí (1866). Àëôàâ³òí³ ñïèñêè îáë³êó ðåêðóò³â - ÷ëåí³â ºâðåéñüêîãî òîâàðèñòâà (1844) òà ì³ùàí-õðèñòèÿí (1849).
Ô. 64. ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêà ºâðåéñüêà ÷îëîâ³÷à ã³ìíàç³ÿ Øàëèòè ³ Âîëîâà, ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàä ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ñïðàâ: 13; 1916-1920 ðð. Îïèñ 1 Ñïðàâ: 13; 1916-1920 ðð. Îñîáèñò³ äîêóìåíòè ó÷í³â (çàÿâè, ñâ³äîöòâà, àòåñòàòè). Ñïèñêè ó÷í³â òà â³äîìîñò³ ïðî ¿õ óñï³øí³ñòü. Êëàñí³ æóðíàëè. Ôîðìóëÿðí³ ñïèñêè â÷èòåë³â. Ïðèáóòêîâî-âèäàòêîâ³ êîøòîðèñè òà â³äîìîñò³ íà âèäà÷ó çàðîá³òíî¿ ïëàòè ïðàö³âíèêàì ã³ìíà糿.
Ô. 78. ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêà ì³ñüêà óïðàâà, ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàä ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ñïðàâ: 7284; 1871-1920 ðð. Ìàòåð³àëè ïðî ºâðåéñüêèé ïîãðîì (1905).
Ô. 185. ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêà ñèíàãîãà, ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàä ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ñïðàâ: 96; 1853-1919 ðð. Îïèñ 1 Ñïðàâ: 96; 1853-1919 ðð. Ìåòðè÷í³ êíèãè ðåºñòðàö³¿ àêò³â ïðî íàðîäæåííÿ, øëþá, ðîçëó÷åííÿ òà ñìåðòü ïî ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàäó ³ ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîìó ïîâ³òó.
Ô. 460. ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêèé ºâðåéñüêèé êàãàë, ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàä ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ñïðàâ: 35; 1827-1829, 1831, 1833-1836, 1838-1840, 1842, 1844-1848 ðð. Îïèñ 1 Ñïðàâ: 35; 1827-1829, 1831, 1833-1836, 1838-1840, 1842, 1844-1848 ðð. Âèðîêè ì³ùàíñüêîãî òîâàðèñòâà ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàäà. Ñïðàâè ïðî ïðîâåäåííÿ ðåêðóòñüêîãî íàáîðó ñåðåä ºâðåéñüêîãî íàñåëåííÿ òà çáîðó ïîäàòê³â. Ðåâ³çüêà êàçêà ºâðåéñüêîãî íàñåëåííÿ ³ ìåòðè÷íà êíèãà ðåºñòðàö³¿ àêò³â ïðî íàðîäæåííÿ, øëþá òà ñìåðòü êàãàëó (1831). Êíèãè îáë³êó ïðèáóòê³â ³ âèòðàò êàãàëó. Ñïðàâè ïðî çàðàõóâàííÿ ºâðå¿â äî ì³ùàíñüêîãî àáî êóïåöüêîãî ñòàíó.
Åù¸ åñòü âîò òàêèå äåëà. ªâðåéñüê³ îáùèíè ³ ñèíàãîãè Ô. 547, Çëàòîï³ëüñüêà ºâðåéñüêà îáùèíà, ì. Çëàòîï³ëü ×èãèðèíñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Êè¿âñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ô. 556, Îëåêñàíäð³âñüêà ºâðåéñüêà îáùèíà, ñ. Îëåêñàíäð³âêà ×èãèðèíñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Êè¿âñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ô. 403, Áîáðèíåöüêà ñèíàãîãà, ì. Áîáðèíåöü Áîáðèíåöüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ô. 741, Êðèë³âñüêà ñèíàãîãà, ì. Êðèë³â ×èãèðèíñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Êè¿âñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ô. 737, Íîâîãåîð㳿âñüêà ñèíàãîãà, ì. Íîâîãåîð㳿âñüê Îëåêñàíäð³éñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ô. 325, Íîâîìèðãîðîäñüêà ñèíàãîãà, ì. Íîâîìèðãîðîä ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ô. 404, Ñàãàéäàöüêà ñèíàãîãà, ñ. Ñàãàéäàê ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ô. 635, Ìîëèòîâíà øêîëà ïðè ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüê³é ºâðåéñüê³é îáùèí³, ì. ªëèñàâåòãðàä ªëèñàâåòãðàäñüêîãî ïîâ³òó Õåðñîíñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿
Åñëè ÷òî íå ïîíÿòíî, ïèøèòå. Âàäèì. --- Èùó Øâûäàíåíêî, Æóøìàí, Ïàøêîâñêèé, Ñèäåëüíèê(èç ñåëà Çåë¸íîãî Êèðîâîãðàäñêîé îáë.), Ãîëèê, Ðûáàëêà, Ãîðîáåö, Ãàéäàäûì (èç ñ¸ë Êîáçàðîâêà, Ãðèãîðüåâêà, Ñâåòëîâîäñêîãî ð-íà òîé-æå îáë). ÊÎÍÎÃÐÀÉ - èç ëþáîé ìåñòíîñòè. | | |
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23 ìàðòà 2008 17:13 23 ìàðòà 2008 17:14Äåëà èç ÍÈÀÁà ß, âèäèìî, î÷åíü íåóäà÷íî ñôîðìóëèðîâàë: èìåëîñü â âèäó, ÷òî, ïðîñìàòðèâàÿ îïèñè, ÿ îáðàòèë âíèìàíèå, ÷òî òàêèå äåëà åñòü â ÍÈÀÁå. Ñàìè Äåëà ÿ íå çàêàçûâàë (ó ìåíÿ íåò "ïåðåñåëÿâøèõñÿ" ïðåäêîâ, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, èçâåñòíûõ ìíå). À äåëà òàêèå: ô.1430 Êàíöåëÿðèÿ Âèòåáñêîãî ãðàæäàíñêîãî ãóáåðíàòîðà. îï.1 ò.6 ä.13058 Î ïåðåñåëåíèè åâðååâ â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóáåðíèþ (1846) ô.2620 Ëåïåëüñêàÿ ãîðîäñêàÿ äóìà 1831-1859, îï.1 ä.197 Î ïåðåñåëåíèè ëåïåëüñêèõ ìåùàí åâðååâ â Õåðñîíñêóþ ãóá (1846) ä.267 Î åâðåÿõ, ïåðåñåëèâøèõñÿ â çåìëåäåëü÷åñòâî (1850) ä.281 Î ïåðåìåùåíèè ìåùàí-åâðååâ â Åêàòåðèíîñëàâñêóþ ãóá. (1851)
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