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Хотелось бы узнать в какой церкви из крестили… и были ли они переселенцами и откуда. ---
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Ближайшая церковь была в с. Соколовка. Но нужно учитывать, что в 1913 году это был Ишимский уезд Тобольской губернии. Поэтому документы могут быть и в Тобольском архиве.
Хотелось бы узнать в какой церкви из крестили… и были ли они переселенцами и откуда. ---
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Ближайшая церковь была в с. Соколовка. Но нужно учитывать, что в 1913 году это был Ишимский уезд Тобольской губернии. Поэтому документы могут быть и в Тобольском архиве.
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Влад, спасибо большое за подсказку и информацию. Очень признательна.
galina14111939 Доброго Здоровья ! Стоит глянуть Перепись 1897 г. по д. Глубокая Ишимского уезда Соколовской волости. Есть два варианта:
АИС Тобольского архива Ф. 417 оп. 2 д. 1204 https://tobarhiv.72to.ru ( не обращайте внимание, что написано архив Тюменской области ) - это платный вариант просмотра.
FamilySearch ( регистрация через VPN) пленка 7577745 с кадра 806 ( ф. 417 оп. 2 д. 1046 "старая нумерация) - это бесплатный вариант, НО! как зарегистрироваться и работать с сайтом есть тема на этом Форуме. Всем Удачного Поиска !
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galina14111939 Доброго Здоровья ! Стоит глянуть Перепись 1897 г. по д. Глубокая Ишимского уезда Соколовской волости. Есть два варианта:
АИС Тобольского архива Ф. 417 оп. 2 д. 1204 https://tobarhiv.72to.ru ( не обращайте внимание, что написано архив Тюменской области ) - это платный вариант просмотра.
FamilySearch ( регистрация через VPN) пленка 7577745 с кадра 806 ( ф. 417 оп. 2 д. 1046 "старая нумерация) - это бесплатный вариант, НО! как зарегистрироваться и работать с сайтом есть тема на этом Форуме. Всем Удачного Поиска !
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Искренне благодарю за подсказку и совет. Пересмотрела кучу списков переселенцев- не нашла. Возможно, они были коренные жители.
My name is Carolyn Ward and I have been provided with this address by the Family Search Community Forum after I asked for help with finding an elusive relative or suggestions as to where to go from here.
I am trying to find the family of my great grandfather who was born in Alma Atty in what is modern day Kazakhstan but what was Russia on 2nd April 1853 when he was born. His name is John Ambrose Searant and he had an older brother Alexander, who was born in 1851, who married Martha. We know nothing of his parents or any other siblings and therefore, everything has stopped at him. At 14, John travelled to Odessa to become a seaman and, after 10 years at sea, he decided to make Australia his home. We believe that the family were of French origin so the spelling of the last name can be the french Serrant / Serant / or Серант in Kazakh. Searant is the Australian spelling. There has been a contributor to My Heritage who has been researching the Серант name in Kazakhstan and has put up 4 generations dating back from a death in 2016. However, much of their research has no dates. I have tried contacting this person on a number of occasions but have received no reply. I have also found some references to Serrant's in France with names common to our family - Ambrose, Alexandre, and, if the family on My Heritage is connected, there are also a number of Theodore's and Constantine's.
Can anyone offer any insights about where to go from here - or has anyone else been trying to find people of the same name? I will be very thankful if I can finally move ahead with this family. They have proved to be very elusive.
am trying to find the family of my great grandfather who was born in Alma Atty in what is modern day Kazakhstan but what was Russia on 2nd April 1853 when he was born.
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Hey Carolyn, welcome to the forum. How do you know his DOB? Do you have any relevant documents from Russia from that time period? Any document you might have will help in further search.
Also just FYI, Almaty was called "Верный" in 19th century. If was founded only in 1854 as a military fort. So either John was born after 1854, or he was born elsewhere. What makes you think he was born in Almaty?
By the way, if one assumes that John's father was of French origin and was in Верный in 1850's, then he most likely be a high-ranking military officer. However I find it a very unlikely scenario, as the troops who settled the area were mostly Cossacks.
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For various reasons, it is very unlikely that a 14 year old boy traveled by himself. Perhaps, his entire family relocated to Odessa. So I think it makes sense to also search for Серант's in Odessa.
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя avust от 22 июля 2023 17:41
Полностью согласен! Кстати, за ВОВ многие С(е/и)ранты с Западной Украины, за ПМВ ещё и с Польши. В основном вроде бы они были из наших дореволюционных западных украинских губерний, а не из Австрийских украинских земель. Много с Подолья, поэтому история про Одессу вполне вероятна.
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя carolyngayward от 22 июля 2023 8:03
Hi, Carolyn! You have several reliable dates of John Ambrose Searant's life: the year of death is 1934, the date of the wedding is 1883. Obviously, you calculated the date of birth from these data (since the obituary published in The Newcastle Herald newspaper indicated the age: 80 years >>> 1934 - 80 = 1854 year of birth). You also have a family legend that John Ambrose Searant was born in the city of Verniy (the former name of the city of Alma-Ata. In Russian, Verny (RU: Верный) literally means "faithful"). This needs to be verified, since the city of Verniy was founded in 1854 as a military fortification. The first residents were kozak's, at first they lived in barracks. And the first residential houses (and families) in Verny appeared only in 1857. I will quote: <<The Russian scientist and traveler Pyotr Petrovich Semenov (he will become Semenov-Tyan-Shansky only in May, 1906) first visited the Verny fortification in September 1856. At that time, according to his description, there were no houses in the fortification, except for the hastily built house of the bailiff of the Great Horde. And other worries worried the soldiers: in May-June 1856, Colonel Mikhail Mikhailovich Khomentovsky, who arrived to the aid of M. Peremyshlsky and replaced him for a while as the bailiff of the Kirghiz of the Great Horde and the head of the Alatau district, commander of the 4th brigade of the Siberian Linear Cossack Army (1851-1855), led a military research expedition to Lake Issyk-Kul to the Kyrgyz for reconciliation of the Bugu and Sarybagysh clans. Chokan Valikhanov was also part of the expedition… Only a year has passed, and the fortification appeared before P.P. Semenov and his companion, the artist Pavel Kosharov, in a completely different form: "[fortification] The Verny, to my extreme pleasure, presented itself to me in a more attractive form than in 1856. All the houses of the fort were more or less rebuilt, and a garden was already planted near the house of the bailiff of the Great Horde >> ... (please, read the history of the founding of the city of Verny here: https://vernoye-almaty.kz/studies/pioneers2.shtml ) I also recommend that you familiarize yourself with this topic, which is dedicated to the Bolshaya Stanitsa district, this is the first civil settlement in the city of Verny (https://forum.vgd.ru/352/99598/all.htm?a=stdforum_view&o = ). There was also a Small village (https://forum.vgd.ru/352/53063/all.htm?a=stdforum_view&o = )
P.S. If we assume that John Ambrose Searant was still born in Verny, then perhaps the year of his birth needs to be clarified (~1857). It can also be assumed that his parents were either Cossacks or the first settlers (peasants from the southern provinces of the Russian Empire). Then in the Russian version, the name "John Ambrose" will be "Ivan Abrosimov" (RU: Иван Абросимов). Regarding the surname Searant - either this is a alias, or the Ukrainian surname Siran (variants: Сиран, Сiран, Сирант) - https://ridni.org/karta/%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD / https://ridni.org/karta/%D0%A1%D1%96%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD
Thank you so much for this information Alice. I will be following it up over the next couple of days. It is very interesting - it makes me more determined to continue the search.
Regards
Carolyn
Большое спасибо за эту информацию, Алиса. Буду следить за ним в ближайшие пару дней. Это очень интересно - это придает мне больше решимости продолжать поиски.
