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Íà ñàéòå ÂÃÄ ñîáèðàþòñÿ ëþäè, óâëå÷åííûå ãåíåàëîãèåé, èñòîðèåé, ãåðàëüäèêîé è ò.ä. Çäåñü âû íàéäåòå ñîáåñåäíèêîâ, ýêñïåðòîâ, óìåëûõ ïîìîùíèêîâ â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ. Âàì ïîäñêàæóò ãäå èñêàòü äîêóìåíòû î ïàâøèõ â áîÿõ è ïðîïàâøèõ áåç âåñòè, â êàêîé àðõèâ îáðàòèòüñÿ ïðè èññëåäîâàíèè ðîäîñëîâíîé ñâîåé ñåìüè, ïîìîãóò îïðåäåëèòü ïî ñòàðîé ôîòîãðàôèè ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê âîèíñêèì ÷àñòÿì, âåäîìñòâàì è ÷èíó. ÂÃÄ - ïîèñê ëþäåé â ïðîøëîì, íàñòîÿùåì è áóäóùåì!
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Âîëîñòè ãóáåðíèè ïî óåçäàì ñìîòðèòå â òåìå https://forum.vgd.ru/2177/135907/

 ïîèñêå îðèåíòèðóéòåñü íà ñïðàâî÷íûå ìàòåðèàëû -
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Ñïèñêè íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò Òóëüñêîé ãóáåðíèè 1862ã. çäåñü
Ïðèõîäû è öåðêâè Òóëüñêîé åïàðõèè 1895ã. çäåñü
Íîâûé Êåïïåí. Ïðèõîäû Òóëüñêîé Åïàðõèè ïî äàííûì êëèðîâûõ âåäîìîñòåé 1915-1916ã.ã. çäåñü
Ñïèñîê íàñåëåííûõ ïóíêòîâ Òóëüñêîé ãóáåðíèè ïî äàííûì âñåñîþçíîé ïåðåïèñè íàñåëåíèÿ 1926ã. çäåñü

Íîâîñèëüñêèé óåçä (Òóëüñêàÿ ãóá.)

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Ðîññèÿ, Êðàñíîäàð
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1661
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1691

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Ìàëîçåìåëüå, ðàçâèòèå ïðîìûøëåííîñòè.
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Àòàëèíà íàïèñàë:
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Äåíüãè.. çåìëè ìàëî, ñåìüè áîëüøèå, âîò è åõàëè çà ëó÷øåé æèçíüþ.
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Ñïàñèáî! À ïî÷åìó èìåííî êîíêðåòíî â Ìàëîðîññèþ åõàëè? Ðàçâå îíà ñëàâèëàñü õîðîøåé æèçíüþ? Èëè áûëà êàêàÿ-òî ïðè÷èíà åõàòü èìåííî òóäà?
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Íà ñàéòå ñ 2012 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 12414

nikita0995 íàïèñàë:
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Ñïàñèáî! À ïî÷åìó èìåííî êîíêðåòíî â Ìàëîðîññèþ åõàëè? Ðàçâå îíà ñëàâèëàñü õîðîøåé æèçíüþ? Èëè áûëà êàêàÿ-òî ïðè÷èíà åõàòü èìåííî òóäà?
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Íàçâàíèå «Äîíáàññ» ñâÿçàíî ñ çàëåæàìè óãëÿ.


Àòàëèíà íàïèñàë:
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Áåðåñòîâî-Áîãîäóõîâñêèé, Íèêîëàåâñêàÿ öåðêîâü
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 1895 ãîäó 16 øàõò Ìàêååâñêîãî è Áåðåñòîâî-Áîãîäóõîâñêîãî ðóäíèêîâ îáåñïå÷èëè äîáû÷ó 42 ìèëëèîíîâ ïóäîâ (îêîëî 800 000 òîíí). Ðàáîòàþùèå øàõòû ÿâèëèñü îñíîâîé Ìàêååâñêîãî ìåòàëëóðãè÷åñêîãî è òðóáîëèòåéíîãî çàâîäîâ, îáåñïå÷èâàëè óãëåì ïðèëåãàþùèå æåëåçíûå äîðîãè, ïîñòàâëÿëè â ïîðòû Àçîâñêîãî è ×åðíîãî ìîðåé è äàæå ñòàëè âûòåñíÿòü â ïàðîõîäñòâå êàðäèôñêèé óãîëü.
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Àëüòåðíàòèâ áûëî, ïî ñóòè, íå òàê ìíîãî:

à. ïåðåñåëÿòñÿ çà Óðàë, çàíèìàÿñü êðåñòüÿíñêèì òðóäîì
á. óõîäèòü â ãîðîäà, ãäå â áûñòðîì òåìïå ðàçâèâàëàñü ïðîìûøëåííîñòü
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nikita0995

nikita0995

Ðîññèÿ, Êðàñíîäàð
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1661
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2018 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1691
BORISBEL
Ñòðàííî, ÿ ÷èòàþ ÷òî íàïðîòèâ - ñóùåñòâîâàë îáðàòíûé îòòîê íàñåëåíèÿ èç Ìàëîðîññèè:

"À â 19 âåêå ðåçêî àêòèâèçèðîâàëîñü ïåðåñåëåíèå ìàëîðîññîâ çà Óðàë...Òîëüêî â ïåðèîä ñ 1885 ïî 1904 ãîä â Ñèáèðü è íà Äàëüíèé Âîñòîê ïåðåáðàëîñü áîëåå ïîëóìèëëèîíà ïåðåñåëåíöåâ èç Ìàëîðîññèè. À â ðåçóëüòàòå Ñòîëûïèíñêîé àãðàðíîé ðåôîðìû ñ 1906 ïî 1914 ãîä ê íèì ïðèáàâèëîñü åùå íå ìåíåå 1,4 ìèëëèîíà ìàëîðîññêèõ êðåñòüÿí Ïî íåêîòîðûì äàííûì äî ðåâîëþöèè âûõîäöû èç Ìàëîðîññèè ñîñòàâëÿëè îêîëî 40% ïåðåñåëåíöåâ â Ñèáèðè è ïî÷òè 70% ïåðåñåëåíöåâ â Ïðèìîðüå... öåëîì æå âî âñå âåëèêîðîññêèå ãóáåðíèè ñ 1800 ïî 1917 ãîä ïåðåñåëèëîñü îêîëî 4 ìëí. ìàëîðîññîâ (èëè äî 6-7 % îò îáùåé ÷èñëåííîñòè íàñåëåíèÿ Ðîññèè â ïðåäåëàõ å¸ íûíåøíèõ ãðàíèö)..."

åùå â äðóãîì ìåñòå:

"Ïî ñîñòîÿíèþ íà 1843 ãîä â Ðîññèè áûë çàðåãèñòðèðîâàí èçáûòîê ðàáî÷åãî íàñåëåíèÿ â ñëåäóþùèõ ðåãèîíàõ:
â Ñåâåðíîì ÷åðíîçåìíîì ðåãèîíå (â Ïåíçåíñêîé, Îðëîâñêîé, Òàìáîâñêîé, ×åðíèãîâñêîé, Ðÿçàíñêîé, Òóëüñêîé, Êóðñêîé ãóáåðíèÿõ) - 100000 ÷åëîâåê;
â Ñðåäíåì ÷åðíîçåìíîì ðåãèîíå (â Âîðîíåæñêîé, Õàðüêîâñêîé, Ïîëòàâñêîé ãóáåðíèÿõ) - 200000;
â Þãî-çàïàäíîì ðåãèîíå (â Âîëûíñêîé, Ïîäîëüñêîé, Êèåâñêîé ãóáåðíèÿõ) - 100000 ÷åëîâåê.

 Ðîññèéñêîé èìïåðèè ïðè åãî Èìïåðàòîðñêîì Âåëè÷åñòâå Íèêîëàå I áûëî íàìå÷åíî äâà ðàéîíà, èç êîòîðûõ öåëåñîîáðàçíî áûëî îñóùåñòâëÿòü äîíîðñêèå ïåðåñåëåíèÿ êðåñòüÿí â äðóãèå ìàëîçàñåë¸ííûå èëè ñîâñåì íå çàñåë¸ííûå ðåãèîíû Èìïåðèè:
- ìàëîçåìåëüíàÿ ÷åðíîçåìíàÿ îáëàñòü, èìåâøàÿ ñâîèì öåíòðîì Êóðñêóþ è Õàðüêîâñêóþ ãóáåðíèè, ñ ãóñòûì íàñåëåíèåì, ïðåîáëàäàíèåì ïîìåñòíîãî ýëåìåíòà è òðåõïîëüåì áåç íàâîçíîãî óäîáðåíèÿ çåìåëü;
- Ìàëîðîññèÿ è Þãî-Çàïàäíûé êðàé, ãäå ñèëüíîå ðàçâèòèå ïîìåñòíîãî ýëåìåíòà, îïòîâûõ àðåíä è ðàñïðîñòðàíåííîñòü òàáà÷íûõ è ñâåêëîâè÷íûõ ïëàíòàöèé äîâåëè àðåíäíûå öåíû äî ðàçìåðîâ, íåäîñòóïíûõ äëÿ êðåñòüÿí;

 Öåíòðàëüíîé Ðîññèè (Âåëèêîðîññèÿ) è â Ìàëîðîññèè óñëîâèÿ æèçíè êðåñòüÿí óõóäøèëèñü íàñòîëüêî, ÷òî îíè áûëè ãîòîâû ìèãðèðîâàòü â ïîèñêàõ ìåñòà, ïðèãîäíîãî äëÿ ëó÷øåé æèçíè - íå õâàòàëî çåìëè, å¸ êà÷åñòâî óõóäøèëîñü äëÿ òîâàðíîãî ïðîèçâîäñòâà ñåëüñêîõîçÿéñòâåííîé ïðîäóêöèè... íàçðåëà ñèòóàöèÿ, êîãäà ðàçîð¸ííûé êðåñòüÿíèí óæå íå ìîã ïðîêîðìèòü ñâîþ ñåìüþ - áðîñàÿ ñâîè ðîäèòåëüñêèå íàñèæåííûå ìåñòà, îíè ïûòàëèñü âûæèòü, ïåðåñåëÿÿñü íà íîâûå çåìëè... ê ìàëîçåìåëüþ äîáàâëÿëèñü âòîðîñòåïåííûå ôàêòîðû, óñëîæíÿâøèå æèçíü êðåñòüÿíèíà: îòñóòñòâèå èëè íåäîñòàòîê ïîêîñîâ, âûãîíîâ, ëåñà, ïëîõîå êà÷åñòâî ïî÷âû èëè íàëè÷èå ïåñêîâ, îâðàãîâ è ò. ï., ÷åðåñïîëîñèöà íàäåëîâ (îñîáåííî ó áûâøèõ ïîìåùè÷üèõ êðåñòüÿí), äàëüíîñòü ïàøåí îò ìåñò ïðîæèâàíèÿ êðåñòüÿí, íå ïîçâîëÿâøàÿ èõ óíàâîæèâàòü è ò.ä..."


 îáùåì íå ñìîã íàãóãëèòü èíôîðìàöèè ïî ïîâîäó "ïðèâëåêàòåëüíîñòè" Ìàëîðîññèè è ïî ôàêòàì ìèãðàöèè òóäà íàñåëåíèÿ.
Ìîæåò ïëîõî èñêàë, íàäî áóäåò åùå ïî÷èòàòü, èíòåðåñíàÿ òåìà)
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Ñòðàííî, ÿ ÷èòàþ ÷òî íàïðîòèâ - ñóùåñòâîâàë îáðàòíûé îòòîê íàñåëåíèÿ èç Ìàëîðîññèè:
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nikita0995 íàïèñàë:
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 îáùåì íå ñìîã íàãóãëèòü èíôîðìàöèè ïî ïîâîäó "ïðèâëåêàòåëüíîñòè" Ìàëîðîññèè è ïî ôàêòàì ìèãðàöèè òóäà íàñåëåíèÿ.
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Ýòî ðàçíûå ïîòîêè:

Òå, êòî åõàë â Ñèáèðü, òå êðåñòüÿíå-õëåáîïàøöû. Â Äîíáàññ åõàëè ðóáèòü óãîëü. Ýòî ðàçíûå ìèãðàöèîííûå ïîòîêè. Ðàçâèòèå êàïèòàëèçìà â Ðîññèè.
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Ìàêñèì Âèêòîðîâè÷

Ìàêñèì Âèêòîðîâè÷

Òóëà
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Îïî÷êà; Êàáàðäèíî-Áàëêàðèÿ; Ëåíèíãðàä: ÄÎÍÄÓÊÎÂÑÊÈÅ
Êóäåâåðü Íîâîðæåâ. ó. Ïñêîâñêîé ãóá.; Ëåíèíãðàä: ÁÅËÀÂÈÍÑÊÈÅ
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Íîâîñèëüñêèé ó. Òóëüñêîé ãóá.: ÁÐÓÑÅÍÖÅÂÛ (Ïîëÿíêè); ÇÎËÎÒÓÕÈÍÛ (Âûñîêàÿ; Ìåëûíü; Íèæíÿÿ Ñàâèíà), ÀËÅÊÑÅÅÂÛ (Ìåëûíü)
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êëàññîâîé ïðèíàäëåæíîñòè
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ÿ áû ñêàçàë - ñîñëîâíîé, ïàñïîðòíîé. ñ êëàññîâîé áûëî ñëîæíåå
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Àòàëèíà

Ïóøêèíî, Ìîñêîâñêàÿ îáë.
Ñîîáùåíèé: 1401
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1919 ã. Ðîæäåíèÿ Ô. 270, î. 1, ä. 33 íè÷åãî
1919 ã. Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêîñî...ìåðòè Ô. 270, î. 1, ä. 33
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1918 ã. Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêîñî...ìåðòè Ô. 270, î. 1, ä. 32

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1916 ã. Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêîñî...ìåðòè Ô. 374, î. 1, ä. 18

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