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Íàâåðõ ## 26 íîÿáðÿ 2022 13:43 Èçó÷èë äåëà èç Íàöèîíàëüíîãî èñòîðè÷åñêîãî àðõèâà Áåëàðóñè (ÍÈÀÁ) ïî êîñòåëó ã. Çëàòîóñòà:
Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ðèìñêî-êàòîëè÷åñêàÿ äóõîâíàÿ êîíñèñòîðèÿ (Ô. 1781, îï. 30, îï. 36, ã. Çëàòîóñò Óôèìñêîé ãóáåðíèè )
Äîêóìåíòû åñòü íà Family Search:
https://www.familysearch.org/s...%20Library Ýòî - ýêñòðàêòû èç ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèã, íî â íèõ ïðèñóòñòâóþò ôàìèëèè î÷åíü ìíîãèõ ìàñòåðîâ. Îñíîâíàÿ ÷àñòü - ýòî òå, êîòîðûõ ïðèåõàëè èç Ôðàíöèè (èç Êëèíãåíòÿëÿ è åãî îêðåñòíîñòåé). Çà íåêîòîðûå ãîäû âûïèñàë âñå ôàìèëèè, à çà íåêîòîðûå - òîëüêî òå, êîòîðûå íàõîäÿòñÿ â ñôåðå ìîèõ èíòåðåñîâ.  òàêèõ ñëó÷àÿõ ÿ óêàçûâàë íîìåð ëèñòà â äîêóìåíòå è íîìåð êàäðà â ìèêðîôèëüìå â ñêîáêàõ. Äîêóìåíòû äî 1832 ã. - íà ëàòûíè, íî èìåíà è ôàìèëèè âïîëíå ÷èòàáåëüíû.
Äëÿ íåêîòîðûõ áðàêîâ åñòü òàê íàçûâàåìûå "ýêçàìåíû èëè ïðèçíàíèÿ", â êîòîðûõ î÷åíü ïîäðîáíî ðàñïèñàíî ðîäîñëîâèå æåíèõà è íåâåñòû è îòêóäà îíè. Ññûëêè íà ýêçàìåíû òàêæå ïðèâîæó. Ïîñëå 1859 ã. ìàñòåðîâ â äîêóìåíòàõ ïî÷òè íåò (âèäèìî, âñå óæå ïåðåøëè â ïðàâîñëàâèå), íî ìíîãî äâîðÿí è "áëàãîðîäíûõ".
Æìèòå "Áîëüøå èíôîðìàöèè" è èçó÷àéòå!
1781-36/105 1817-1838 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Ðîæäåíèÿ 1817-1826: https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1818 ã. (ë. 1îá.) - ëàòûíü
Åñëèíãåð + Ãîôôåð, Äðåéåð, Íèòòåð
Ôðåëè + Áèëüäøòåéí, Øòåáëåð
Àáñîëîí + Ãóáíåð, Õåäâèã, Ôóðìàí, Ýâåðñìàí
Õàóñ + Çàïòåë, Ôèøåð, Ëàìáåðò
Øìèäò + Êëàóìàíí, Áåäåëü, Ëàíòö, Øðåéáåð
Äîñåð + Áèííî, Îëèâüåðè, Àáñîëîí
1819 ã. (ë.3îá.) - ëàòûíü
Ãóïï + Èáàõ, Åñëèíãåð, Ñîðã, Êèíä
Àáñîëîí + Ãèáíåð
Ìàëî + Øíåê, Åñëèíãåð, Íèòòåð, Õèðøèáåð
Êîëëåò + Áîéñ, Øìèòö
Ôðåëè + Áèëüäøòåéí, Ãåëüìèõ
Áîéñ + Êîïøòèí, Êîëëåò
Ãåëüìèã + Ãåáëåð, Ôðåëè, Øèïïåð, Øåôåð
Áóðãåð + Êèíä, Õàóñ, Åñëèíãåð
Åñëèíãåð + Õàóñ, Áóðãåð, Ãåïï
Ôèøåð + Áðóíåëëåð, Åñëèíãåð, Ãàëñáåðã
Ãåðòåë + Áóè?, Êîëëåò, Øìèòö
1820 ã. (ë. 7) - ëàòûíü
Äîñåð + Áèíî, Øíåéäåð, Áèëüäøòåéí
Øòåáëåð + Ìàòö, Õàóñ, Åñëèíãåð
Êîëëåò + Áîéñ, Øâàðòö, Êóðòö
Õàóñ + Çåïôåëü, Øëèïïåð, Øåôåð
Åñëèíãåð + Õàóñ, Çåïôåëü
Áóðãåð + Êèíä, Áèëüäøòåéí, Ôðåëè
Ãåïï + Èáàõ, Õàóñ, Åñëèíãåð
Ôðåëè + Áèëüäøòåéí, Ãåáëåð, Øòåáëåð
Ãîôôåð + Ëàìáåðò, Äèòðèõ, Ãîôôåð, Åñëèíãåð
Ìàëî + Øíåê
Äèòðèõ + Ãîôåð
Áåäåëü + Áðóíåëëåð, Ôèøåð, Õàóñ, Ãàëñáåðã
Àáñîëîí + Ãèáíåð, Êîâàëåâ, Ôóðìàí
Ôèøåð + Áðóíåëëåð, Áåäåëü, Ãàëñáåðã
ôîí Ñàíòåí + ôîí Ñòðóâå, Âåðåê, Îëèâåðè, Àáñîëîí
ôîí Ñàíòåí + ôîí Ñòðóâå
1822 ã. (ë. 12) - ëàòûíü
Ìàëî + Øíåê, Áàóìåéñòåð, Øíåê
Åñëèíãåð + Õàóñ, Èáàõ, Ãåïï
Äîñåð + Áèíåðî, Ïàóëþñ, Àáñîëîí
Áóðãåð + Êèíä, Áåäåëü, Øìèòö
Áóðãåð + Êèíä, Øòåáëåð
Ôðåëè + Áèëüäøòåéí, Øòåáëåð, Ãåëüìèõ
Ãîôôåð + Ëàìáåðò, Õàóñ, Äèòðèõ
1823 ã. (ë. 14) - ëàòûíü
Õàóñ + Çåïôåëü, Êëàóñìàíí, Øìèäò
Êîëëåò + Áîéñ, Àáñîëîí
Ôèøåð + Áðóíåëëåð, Áåäåëü
Êèðõãîô + Ãîëüìàí, Éîðã (Ñîðã), Êèíä
Áåäåëü + Áðóíåëëåð, Ôèøåð
Àáñîëîí + Ãåáíåð
Åñëèíãåð + Õàóñ
1824 ã. (ë. 16) - ëàòûíü
Äèòðèõ + Õîôôåð, Øìèäò, Åñëèíãåð
Áóðãåð + Êèíä, Áèëüäøòåéí
Ôðåëè + Áèëüäøòåéí, Ãåïï, Õàóñ, Åñëèíãåð
Êîëëåò + Áîéñ, Ãåòòåíôàëòåð?, Àáñîëîí, Ãðà, Íèòòåð
Êèðõãîô, Õàóñ
Õîôôåð + Ëàìáåðò, Åñëèíãåð, Áóðãåð
1825 ã. (ë. 17îá) - ëàòûíü
Åñëèíãåð + Õàóñ, Áóðãåð, Ôðåëè
Ôèøåð + Áðóíåëëåð, Åñëèíãåð, Ãåëåáåðê
Àáñîëîí, Âîëüô
Áóðãåð + Êèíä, Áèëüäøòåéí
Äîñåð + Áèííî, Øìèäò
Áåäåëü + Áðóíåëëåð, Ãåîðãå?
Ìàëî + Øíåê, Ëàìáåðò
1826 ã. (ë. 19îá) - ëàòûíü
Ôðåëè + Áèëüäøòåéí, Ãåïï
Áðàêè 1817-1826: https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áèëüäøòåéí: 22 (48), 23 (49), 23 îá. (50), 25 îá. (52)
Ãåëüìèõ: 22îá. (49)
Ãîôåð: 26 (52)
Ëàìáåðò: 22 (48), 23 îá. (50), 26 (52)
Ñìåðòè 1817-1826: https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áèëüäøòåéí: 27 îá. (54)
1827: https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ôèøåð + Áðóíåëëåð, Øòåáëåð, Èáàõ, Ãðà, Ìèëëåð
Áèëüäøòåéí + Øòåáëåð, Èáàõ, Ãàóñ
Áóðãåð + Êèíä, Ôðåëè, Áåäåëü, Áèëüäøòåéí
Äîñåð + Áèí, Ëàìáåðò, Êîëüôãàóç
Ãîôåð + Ëàìáåðò, Åñëèíãåð, Ãåïï
Àáñîëîí + Ãèáíåð, Àõòå, Áåðâàëüä
Ñìîëüíèâñêèé + Òåðèíà, Ãåïï, Ãåëüìèõ
Åñëèíãåð + Ãàóñ, Ëàìáåðò, Øðåéáåð, Ôðåëèõ
Øòåáëåð + Áèê, Ãåïï, Áèëüäøòåéí, Ïåòåð, Íèòòåð, Øìèäò
Õàóñ, Ëåéêîíèãóì?, Øðåéáåð, Áèëüäøòåéí, Åñëèíãåð, Ãîôôåð
Ýêçàìåí: Áèëüäøòåéí + Øòåáëåð
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ýêçàìåí: Ãàóñ + Øòðåéáåð (Òðàéáåð)
1828 (ëàòûíü):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ãåïï + Èáàõ, Àáñîëîí, Åñëèíãåð
Õàóñ + Øðåéáåð, Åñëèíãåð, Ëàìáåðò, Ãîôôåð
Ôðåëè + Áèëüäøòåéí, Ãåïï, Ãåëüìèõ
Áåäåëü + Áðóíåëëåð, Ãåîðãå, Øìèäò, Ôèøåð, Áóðãåð
Áåëüøòåéí + Øòåáëåð, Ãåëüìèõ, Øìèäò, Áóðãåð
Ãàéäìàí
Ãîôåð (ë. 53)
Åñëèíãåð
1829 (ëàòûíü):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ãîôôåð: 56 (83), 57 îá. (85)
Áèëüäøòåéí: 57 (84), 65 (90)
1830 (ëàòûíü):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áèëüäøòåéí: 68 (93), 69 (94), 70 (95), 72 îá. (98)
Ëàìáåðò: 71 îá. (97)
Ãåëüìèõ: 72 (97)
Ýêçàìåí: Ýáåðò + Ëàìáåðò
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ýêçàìåí: Èáàõ + Øìèäò
1831 (ëàòûíü):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áèëüäøòåéí: 84 îá. (111)
1832 (ëàòûíü + ðóññêèé):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ãîôôåð: 87 îá. (114), 102 (129)
Ëàìáåðò: 86 îá. (113), 88 (114), 88 îá (115), 102 (129)
Áèëüäøòåéí: 87 (113), 100 (127), 102 (129)
Ýêçàìåí: Ëàìáåðò + Ýñëèíãåð, Ôðåé, Ãîôåð
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ýêçàìåí: Ôðåëèõ + Øåôåð, Øëèïåð, Ãåëüìèõ, Äèâèãåð
Ýêçàìåí: Ãðà + Ëàìáåðò, Êàìïôåð, Ôðåé, Ãîôåð
Ýêçàìåí: Êåéìåð + Çàê
1832-1834 (ðóññêèé):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áèëüäøòåéí: 104 (131), 105 (132), 105 îá. (133)
Ëàìáåðò: 104 îá. (132), 105 (132) , 105 îá. (133)
Ïîïëàâñêèé (èç Âèòåáñêà)
1835-1836 (ðóññêèé):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áèëüäøòåéí: 109 îá. (137), 110 îá. (138)
Ëàìáåðò: 110 (137)
Ãåëüìèõ: 110 îá. (138)
Áëîê: 111 (138)
Ýêçàìåí: Ïîëü + Àáñîëîí, Ãèáíåð
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ãîôåð: 115 (141) (2 øò.)
Ýêçàìåí: Äîçåð + Ãåïï
Ýêçàìåí: Áèëüäøòåéí + Øìèòö, Øíåéäåð, Ãàçåíêëåáåð
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1837-1838 (ðóññêèé):
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áèëüäøòåéí: 123 (151), 134 (159), 134 îá. (160), 137 (163)
Ëèñîâñêèé + Êðàñèâñêà (Êðàêîâñêà)
Ëàìáåðò: 132 (157)
Ãåëüìèõ: 134 (159), 134 îá. (160), 135 (160)
Ãîôåð: 135 (160)
1781-30/396 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1839-1840 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Îãèíñêèé + Ãàëèöêàÿ (Ïëîòñêàÿ ãóá.), Øàðîí, Ãóñÿòíèêîâ, Ìàðøóëåâè÷, Ëåâàíäîâñêèé
1781-30/397 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Áóðãåð + Ìèëëåð, Øìèäò, Áèëüäøòåéí, Ëèíäåð, Ôðåëèõ
Áåäåëü + Áðóíåëëåð, Ãåîðãå, Áóðãåð, Èáàõ, Ôèøåð
Øòåáëåð + Ôðåëèõ, Ãåëüìèõ, Áèëüäøòåéí
Øòðåòåð + Åñëèíãåð, Ãëóñ, Âåéåñáåðã, Ãðà
Òåãàðòåí, Ôèøåð
Øòåáëåð + Ôðåëèõ
1781-30/398 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1842 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Ãîôåð + Ãðà, Ýáåðò, Êèðõãîô, Òåãàðòåí, Ôëèê, Ëàìáåðò
1781-30/399 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1843 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Øòåáëåð + Ôðåëèõ, Ñàññèíîâñêèé, Áèëüäøòåéí, Øìèòö
1781-30/400 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1844 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Áóðãåð + Ìèëëåð, Ñàñèíîâñêèé, Áåäåëü, Êèíä, Ìàëî
1781-30/401 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1845
https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 Ïîëü + Àïñàëîí, Äîëãîïîëîâ, Ñîñèíîâñêèé
Ëîááå + Øòàóáåð, Âîëîôåðö, Òåðö
Áèëüäøòåéí + Ãåëüìèõ, Òèçåíãàóç, Áóðãåð, Øðåéáåð, Âîëîôåðö, Ãåëüìèõ
Ýñëèíãåð + Êèðõãîô, Ëàìáåðò, Ìàëî
Øòåáëåð + Ôðåëèõ, Ãåëüìèõ, Øìèòö, Áèëüäøòåéí
Êèðõãîô + Ìàëî, Ãîëüöìàí, Øíåê, Åñëèíãåð, Ìèëëåð
Ìèëëåð
Ïèðîâñêàÿ (èç Êîâåíñêîãî óåçäà)
Ãðåðèáîâñêèé (Óôèìîâñêèé)?
1781-30/402 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1846 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
ôîí-Òèçåíãàóçåí + Áèëüäøòåéí, Çàíòåí, Øðåòåð, Ôðåëèõ, Øòåáëåð, Áèëüäøòåéí
1781-30/403 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1847 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1781-30/404 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1849 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Øòåáëåð + Ìàëî, Áèëüäøòåéí, Ôðåëèõ, Êèðõãîô
1781-30/405 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1850 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Ïîëü + Àáñîëîí
1781-30/406 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1851 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Áóðãåð + Ìèëëåð, Ìàðãåð, Ôðåëèõ, Ðîëåíáåê
1781-30/407 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1852 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Áèëüäøòåéí + Øìèòö, Øòåáëåð, Êîëüôóñ, Ãîëüáàõ, Ãåëüìèõ
1781-36/106 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1855 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Øòåáëåð + Ìàëî, Øìèäò, Ãåëüìèõ, Áèëüøòåéí
1781-36/107 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1856 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321
Åñëèíãåð + Êèðõãîô, Ðèõòåð
1781-36/108 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1859 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1781-36/109 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1860 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1781-36/110 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1862 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1781-36/111 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1865 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1781-36/112 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1866 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1781-36/113 Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè 1868 https://www.familysearch.org/s...%20Library 1781-36/114 Ðîæäåíèÿ 1875 https://www.familysearch.org/s...%20Library 1781-36/115 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1876 https://www.familysearch.org/s...%20Library 1781-36/116 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1877 https://www.familysearch.org/s...%20Library 1781-36/117 Ðîæäåíèÿ, ñìåðòè 1878 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 1781-36/118 1879-1888 https://www.familysearch.org/a...cat=710321 ---
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Íàâåðõ ## 26 íîÿáðÿ 2022 18:40 28 íîÿáðÿ 2022 17:28 Ñëåäóþùåé çàïèñüþ ïðèâîæó ðîäîñëîâèå ôðàíöóçîâ-íåìöåâ Ãîôåð èç Çëàòîóñòîâñêîé îðóæåéíîé ôàáðèêè, ñîñòàâëåííîå íà îñíîâå ïðèâåä¸ííûõ âûøå èñòî÷íèêîâ. Îíè ïðèáûëè â Ðîññèþ èç êîììóíû Îòòðîò (Ýëüçàñ, Ôðàíöèÿ) (âîçìîæíû òàêæå íàçâàíèÿ Nieder-Ottrott (îí æå Ottenrot) èëè Ober-Ottrott); à òóäà, ïî-âèäèìîìó, ïåðåáðàëèñü åù¸ ðàíüøå èç Çîëèíãåíà, õîòÿ ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ åù¸ òðåáóåò óòî÷íåíèÿ.
Ïîäðîáíåå î ãåîãðàôèè ýòîãî ìåñòà ìîæíî ïðî÷èòàòü â êíèãå "L'Alsace. Nouvelle description historique et topographique des deux départemens du Rhin" ïî ññûëêå:
https://books.google.ru/books?...mp;f=false https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottrott https://www.google.com/maps/pl...,13z/data= !3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47915488759cd231:0x40a5fb99a394c80!8m2!3d48.458818!4d7.427865?hl=ru
Íóìåðàöèÿ ïåðñîí â ñëåäóþùåì ôîðìàòå: õõõ-óóó, ãäå: õõõ - ïîðÿäêîâûé íîìåð ÷åëîâåêà â ñïèñêå; óóó - ïîðÿäêîâûé íîìåð îòöà ýòîãî ÷åëîâåêà. Æèðíûì âûäåëåíû "ìîè" ïðÿìûå ïðåäêè.
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Íàâåðõ ## 26 íîÿáðÿ 2022 18:42 9 àâãóñòà 2023 15:39 Ðîäîñëîâèå Ãîôåð (Hoffer)
I ïîêîëåíèå 1. Nicolas (Nicolaus) (1700) (Anne Marie Sigrist, 1700) II ïîêîëåíèå 2-1. Jean Jacques (Joannis Jacobi) (1728-1774) (Elisabeth Dürr), óì. â 1778) III ïîêîëåíèå 3-2. Àíäðåé (Andreas) (1759-1812) (Ìàðèÿ Àííà Áàïñò (Marie Anne Bapst); ðîäèòåëè: Josephi Bapst è Otilia Wagner; ýìèãðèðîâàëà â Ðîññèþ, óì. â 1828 ã. (ã. Çëàòîóñò)) ( https://www.klingenthal.fr/familles/oxygen/n484.htm#6298 ) 4-2. François Joseph (Franciscus Josephus) (1762-1821) (ïåðâàÿ – Marie Eve Barthel, óì. â 1789; âòîðàÿ – Elisabeth Saur, 1766-1805; òðåòüÿ – Marie Françoise Horschstetter, 1763)
5-2. Marie Elisabeth (1764-1800) (ìóæ – Pierre Rudolph Pancrace Helbling, 1749-1823)
6-2. Jean Jacques (Joannes Jacobus) (1767)
7-2. François Xavier (Franciscus Xaverus) (1769-1809) (Marie Madeleine Salomé Buchmüller)
8-2. Anne Marie (1772-1772)
9-2. Anne Marie (1773-1841) (ìóæ – Joseph Führy, 1780)
IV ïîêîëåíèå 10-3. Theobald (Theobaldus) (1785)
11-3. Ìàðèÿ Àííà (Marie Anne) (1787) (ìóæ – Ãåîðã Ýñëèíãåð (Georg Eslinger) (1790); äåòè: Àííà Ìàðèÿ (1812), Àíäðåé (1815) (æåíà – Êàðîëèíà Êèðõãîô (1823); äåòè: Ìàðèàííà Åëèçàâåòà (1843), Íèêîëàé (1842-1843)); Íèêîëàé (1818))
12-3. Ìàðèÿ Îòèëèÿ (Îäèëèÿ) (Marie Otilia) (ìóæ – ßêîâ Äèòðèõ (Jacque Dietrich) (1787); äåòè: Éîçåô (1815), Ìàðèÿ Àííà (1820-1836), Åêàòåðèíà (1824) (ìóæ – Ôðèäðèõ Ýðíåñò Êëåììåð (1818)))
13-3. Àíäðåé Àíäðååâè÷ (Andreas) (1795 (êîììóíà Îòòðîò, Ýëüçàñ, Ôðàíöèÿ) – 1836 (ã. Çëàòîóñò; ýìèãðèðîâàë â Ðîññèþ)) (Ìàðèÿ Îòèëèÿ Ëàìáåðò (Marie Otilia Lambert), 1804 (êîììóíà Îòòðîò, Ýëüçàñ, Ôðàíöèÿ); ðîäèòåëè: Éîçåô Ëàìáåðò (1775) è Êàòàðèíà Ôðåé (1777), ýìèãðèðîâàëè â Ðîññèþ) ( https://www.klingenthal.fr/familles/oxygen/n484.htm#6299 ) 14-3. Joseph (1797-1797)
15-3. Pierre (1797-1797)
16-4. Marie Madeleine (1784-1822)
17-4. Anne Marie (1787-1805)
18-4. François Joseph (1789-1790)
19-4. Elisabeth (1795) (ìóæ – Paul Jenner, 1787)
20-4. Joseph (1796-1844) (Thécla Bach, 1794-1869)
21-4. Mathias (1800-1840)
22-4. Ursule (1803)
23-4. Sébastien (1805)
24-4. Étienne-Jacques (1806-1866) (François Antoine Faller, 1790-1841)
25-4. Sébastien (1808) (Amélie Fischer, 1803)
26-4. Barbe (1810-1864)
27-7. Xavier (1804-1836) (Élisabeth Gittinger, 1801-1875)
V ïîêîëåíèå 28-13. Íèêîëàé Àíäðååâè÷ (1820-1850) (Àìàëèÿ Ãðà)
29-13. Éîçåô Ôðàíöèñê Àíäðååâè÷ (1822-1899)
30-13. Àíäðåàñ (Àíäðåé) Àíäðååâè÷ (1824)
31-13. Òåðåçèÿ Àíäðååâíà (1827) (ìóæ – Åâãðàô ßêîâëåâè÷ Ðèõòåð (1821-1874); çàïèñü íà ôîðóìå îò 10.02.2022: https://forum.vgd.ru/post/4098/130270/p4098424.htm#pp4098424 ) 32-13. Èîñèô (Îñèï) Àíäðååâè÷ (1828)
33-13. Åêàòåðèíà Àíäðååâíà (1829)
34-13. Àâãóñò Þëèóñ Àíäðååâè÷ (1832)
35-24. Véronique Barbara (1828-1879) (ìóæ – Xavier Secula, 1828-1897)
36-24. Theresia (1835-1900) (ìóæ - Franz Secula, 1832-1917)
37-27. Marie Élisabeth (1828-1890) (ìóæ – Étienne Steiner, 1827-1891)
VI ïîêîëåíèå 38-28. Ìàðèÿ Íèêîëàåâíà (1841-1842)
39-28. Èîñèô Íèêîëàåâè÷ (1843-1843)
40-28. Àííà Íèêîëàåâíà (1843-1843)
41-28. Ìàðèàííà Íèêîëàåâíà (1844)
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Íàâåðõ ## 1 ìàðòà 2023 14:03  àðõèâå Çëàòîóñòîâñêîãî ãîðîäñêîãî îêðóãà åñòü èìåííàÿ (ôàìèëüíàÿ) êàðòîòåêà ñ ïåðå÷íåì ðåêâèçèòîâ äåë, â êîòîðûõ ôèãóðèðóþò ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèå ëèöà. Ïðèêðåïëÿþ êîïèè êàðòî÷åê, êîòîðûå åñòü ó ìåíÿ: ïî ôàìèëèÿì Ðèõòåð, Áåíòõåí, Ãîôåð, Øåôåð, Áèëüøòåéí (Áèëüäøòåéí).
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Íàâåðõ ## 25 ìàðòà 2023 13:53 ---
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Íàâåðõ ## 29 ìàðòà 2023 10:04 londmitrij íàïèñàë:
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 äåëå ÐÃÈÀ 37-11-71 áîëüøóþ öåííîñòü ïðåäñòàâëÿåò òàêæå ñïèñîê ðóññêèõ ìàñòåðîâûõ, êîòîðûå íàõîäèëèñü íà Çëàòîóñòîâñêîé îðóæåéíîé ôàáðèêå. Ýòî ñïèñîê èç 319 èìåí è ôàìèëèé ñ óêàçàíèåì äëÿ êàæäîãî ÷åëîâåêà, ãäå è êåì îí ðàáîòàë ðàíüøå (íà êàêîì Óðàëüñêîì çàâîäå), ó êîãî è ÷åìó ó÷èëñÿ çäåñü; óêàçàíî òàêæå ñåìåéíîå ïîëîæåíèå è íàëè÷èå äåòåé (áåç èìåí). Ïðèâîæó íèæå ñïèñîê ýòèõ ìàñòåðîâûõ â òîì ïîðÿäêå, â êîòîðîì îíè èäóò â äåëå (ôîòîêîïèè ëèñòîâ èìåþòñÿ ó ìåíÿ â íàëè÷èè).[/q]
londmitrij íàïèñàë:
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londmitrij íàïèñàë:
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Íèêîíîâ (Áåðåçîâñêèé çàâîä),[/q]
Íåëüçÿ ëè ïîäðîáíåå ïî ýòèì ôàìèëèÿì, âðîäå äîëæíû áûòü ðîäñòâåííèêè.
Áóäó âåñüìà ïðèçíàòåëåí.
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Íàâåðõ ## 3 àïðåëÿ 2023 12:47 Ìíå ïîäñêàçàëè öåííûå áàçû äàííûõ ïî ÍÅïðàâîñëàâíûì (êàòîëèêè, ëþòåðàíå, êàëüâèíèñòû) èíîñòðàíöàì, ñîñòàâëåííûå ñîòðóäíèêàìè Þæíî-Óðàëüñêîãî ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî óíèâåðñèòåòà ïî äîêóìåíòàì ÖÃÈÀ ÑÏá. Çäåñü åñòü â òîì ÷èñëå è ïðîæèâàþùèå â Çëàòîóñòå êàòîëèêè. Ïîñêîëüêó èíîñòðàíöû ìîãëè àêòèâíî ïåðåäâèãàòüñÿ ïî ñòðàíå, äóìàþ, ýòî ìîæåò áûòü ïîëåçíî âñåì, êòî ðàáîòàåò ïî èíîñòðàíöàì, íåçàâèñèìî îò ðåãèîíà.
Âëîæåíèÿ â ñàìîì íèçó ñòðàíèöû:
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Íàâåðõ ## 15 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 13:49 15 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 13:53 Ïîëó÷èë êîïèè äåëà, â êîòîðîì èìåþòñÿ èìåííûå êëåéìà ìàñòåðîâ Çëàòîóñòîâñêîé îðóæåéíîé ôàáðèêè: êàê èíîñòðàíöåâ, òàê è ðóññêèõ. Êîïèè ïðèêðåïëÿþ.
Ýòè ñïèñêè óïîìèíàþòñÿ òàêæå çäåñü:
https://www.moscowtorgi.ru/news/istoki/10527/ Èñòî÷íèê: àðõèâ Çëàòîóñòîâñêîãî ãîðîäñêîãî îêðóãà, ôîíä È-24, îïèñü 1, äåëî 447. ---
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Íàâåðõ ## 15 ÿíâàðÿ 2024 13:49 ...ïðîäîëæåíèå
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tanchaPol Íîâè÷îê
Íàâåðõ ## 17 ôåâðàëÿ 7:09 >> Îòâåò íà
ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ
londmitrij îò 13 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2022 17:35
Çäðàâñòâóéòå. Ìîé ïðàäåä Ïîëÿêîâ Ïàâåë Àíèêèòüåâè÷, ðîæä. â 1881 ã. â Çëàòîóñòîâñêîì. Ìîæåò ëè îí áûòü ðîäñòâåííèêîì ìàñòåðîâîãî Ïîëÿêîâà èç Çëàòîóñòîâñêîãî çàâîäà? Â Çëàòîóñòîâñêîì àðõèâå íå íàøëè ñâåäåíèé.
Îêàçàëîñü, ÷òî Ãåîðã è åãî ïðåäêè áûëè øàõòåðàìè èç äåðåâíè Ðèõøòåéí, êîòîðàÿ ñåãîäíÿ ÿâëÿåòñÿ ðàéîíîì ãîðîäà Áàä Áåðëåáóðã â îêðóãå Çèãåí-Âèòòãåíøòàéí â çåìëå Ñåâåðíûé Ðåéí-Âåñòôàëèÿ.