Ìàíü÷æóðèÿ --ÊÂÆÄ (Ñåâåðíàÿ--Õàðáèí..., Þæíàÿ-Ïîðò-Àðòóð)

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Âèäíî, íå îäíîãî ìåíÿ èíòåðåñóåò òåìà îðãíàáîðîâ íà ÊÂÆÄ. Êàøèí Ïàâåë Ñåì¸íîâè÷ ñâîåé ðóêîé íà ïåðâîì ëèñòå ðåãèñòðàöèè â ÁÐÝÌ óêàçàë ïðèáûòèå â Õàðáèí - "1905 ã. Ìîñêâà". Ïîïðîáóþ ðàçëîæèòü ïî ïóíêòàì ñâî¸ ìíåíèå î "òåìå îðãíàáîðîâ" :
1. Ê êîíöó 19 âåêà Âåäîìñòâî ïóòåé ñîîáùåíèÿ ñëîæèëîñü â äîñòàòî÷íî ñàìîîðãàíèçóþùóþñÿ ñòðóêòóðó, è, ïîëàãàþ, ÷òî îðãíàáîð íà ÊÂÆÄ íå áûë ïåðâûì, äà è ïîñëåäíèì òîæå.
2. Ïàâåë Ñåì¸íîâè÷ âûðîñ â ñåìüå æåëåçíîäîðîæíèêîâ - åãî îòåö è ñòàðøèé áðàò òîãäà óæå òðóäèëèñü íà Íèæåãîðîäñêîé ëèíèè, íî, áóäó÷è óðîæåíöåì Íèæåãîðîäñêîé ãóáåðíèè, îí âûåçæàåò â Õàðáèí íå èç Í. Íîâãîðîäà, à èç Ìîñêâû. Çíà÷èò, êîìàíäû ôîðìèðîâàëèñü è òàì?
3. Íå áåðóñü ñóäèòü î ïðèçûâíîì âîçðàñòå â òî âðåìÿ, íî Ïàâåë Ñåì¸íîâè÷ ïðèáûâàåò â Õàðáèí íå ïî ïðèçûâó. Ñðîê ïîñòóïëåíèÿ íà âîèíñêóþ ñëóæáó îáîçíà÷åí åãî ðóêîé êàê "1907ã. Çààìóðñêàÿ æä áðèãàäà". È åìó, ÷òî íàçûâàåòñÿ, íå äàëè òàì çàòåðÿòüñÿ íà öåëûõ äâà ãîäà.
Ìîæíî áûëî ïðåäïîëîæèòü, ÷òî îí ñëóæèë èìåííî ñ 1905 ïî 1907 ãã., íî â àíêåòå ÁÐÝÌ óêàçàíî êîíêðåòíî - "ïîñòóïëåíèå íà âîèíñêóþ ñëóæáó 1907ã."

KVGD íàïèñàë:

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Íè ñëîâà îá èõ äàëüíåéøåé ñóäüáå. Êóäà äàëüøå? Íè îäíîé ôàìèëèè èç ÷èñëà ðàçûñêèâàåìûõ ïåðñîí íå íàõîæó â ñïèñêàõ ðåïðåññèðîâàííûõ è âûåõàâøèõ èç Êèòàÿ.

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Íàïèøèòå Ô.È.Î. è ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ. Ìîæíî ïîïðîáîâàòü ïîèñêàòü â áàçàõ ïî ÑØÀ è Àâñòðàëèè.
Íàïðèìåð â áàçå ïî Àâñòðàëèè åñòü òàêàÿ çàïèñü:

KASHIN Nicholas Simon [born 1944 - China]

KVGD íàïèñàë:

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Ñåì¸í â äîêóìåíòå îò 26 ìàðòà 1944 ã. óêàçàë: "ñûí Êàøèí (íîâîðîæäåííûé)"

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Nicholas Simon Kashin
Born in China on 22 March 1944
Passed away on 16 June 2013
Ïîõîðîíåí íà East Ballina Cemetery â Àâñòðàëèè.

 àðõèâå äîêóìåíòû îòíîñÿòñÿ ê 1984 ã.
KASHIN Nicholas Simon [born 1944 - China]
Contents date range 1984 - 1984

Áîëåå ïîäðîáíîé èíôîðìàöèè íåò.
ß çàïðîñèëà êîïèþ äîêóìåíòà â àðõèâå, â òå÷åíèè 90 äíåé îáåùàëè äàòü îòâåò.

 àðõèâå åùå âñòðå÷àþòñÿ:

Mialkovsy, Alexander; wife Vera [nee Kashina] and children Constantine and Nicholas
Contents date range 1953 - 1972

Kashin, Vassily Mihailovich and Margarita Yakovlevna.
Contents date range 1962

Íà Êàøèíûõ â àðõèâå áîëüøå íè÷åãî íåò.

Ãàâðèëîâ:

Title
Gavriloff, Konstantin; wife Antonina
Contents date range 1953 - 1965


 ïëàòíîé áàçå:
Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Census & Voter Lists
Name: Mazgarita Kashin
Residence: 1963 - city, Griffith, Queensland, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Census & Voter Lists
Name: Vassily Kashin
Residence: 1963 - city, Griffith, Queensland, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Census & Voter Lists
Name: Janice Ann Kashin
Residence: 1968 - city, Griffith, Queensland, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Census & Voter Lists
Name: Mazgarita Kashin
Residence: 1968 - city, Griffith, Queensland, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 Census & Voter Lists
Name: Nicholai Simon Kashin
Residence: 1968 - city, Griffith, Queensland, Australia

Name: Kanstantin Gavriloff
Residence: 1977 - city, Griffith, Queensland, Australia

Êàðòà Àâñòðàëèè. Ñìîòðèì Griffith, âîò îí! Íî òîëüêî â Íîâîì Þæíîì Óýëüñå, èëè "ìåæäóøòàòíûå" ãðàíèöû òàì ïîìåíÿëèñü?
Óâàæàåìàÿ, sang, à åñëè äàííûå "Â ïëàòíîé áàçå", òî ñêîëüêî ñòîèò? Ñðàâíèìî ëè ñ ðàñöåíêàìè â ÃÀÕÊ?

Óâàæàåìàÿ, sang, â ïåðå÷íå åñòü ôàìèëèÿ "Mialkovsy, Alexander". Êàê îíà çâó÷èò íà ðóññêîì?  áàçå ÁÐÝÌ åñòü òðè ïåðñîíû ñ ôàìèëèåé Ìèêàëîâñêèé (àÿ). Òóò íåò îøèáêè?