Looking For A Marriage Record
Looking for a marriage record in Russian Empire
| FuranNietchaieff
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27 августа 2023 11:57 me neither I don't understand. Her surname is Danil so his father is supposed to be Daniel Tolstoy except that there is no Danil Tolstoy. On the other hand in her immigration file Maria put as mother Nedzia Siniavska-Kossova. Then there was the wedding of Alexandra Danilovna Siniavska. From there I was able to understand that the father was Daniel Siniavsky and the mother Nedzia Kossova except that at no time did Maria say that it was Daniel Siniavsky her father. She never wrote her last name. What we know about his father is that he was born in 1826 in Moscow.
I add Maria's passport but I don't know much more. I was just wondering if it was a piece of a Nansen passport.
Excuse me for the confusion but Mikhail Netchaiev is the son of Grigoriy Netchaiev and Maria Tolstoy. At his marriage he was claimed to be Lev Tolstoy's nephew by his mother Maria Tolstoy. Grigoriy Netchaiev is the son of another Mikhail Netchaiev from Moscow. That's all I know about them for now.
I will look at all the links you provided me. Thanks for your help. This story is complicated.
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27 августа 2023 13:41 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] about his father is that he was born in 1826 in Moscow.[/q]
His father? Daniel Sinyavsky's father? Maria's grand-father? A mistype? As for the claim about Leo Tolstoy, it can't be true. Very theoretically, she could be or be said to be an illigitimate child of a Tolstoy who owned Jalovo by 1857, maybe her mother had an affair with some. At the same time, is so, it confuses me, why wouldn't she then tell the name of her biological father? As I've found out that Jalovo in 1840-50-s was owned by colonel Nikolay Dmitrievich Tolstoy, son of Mogilev governor Dmitry Alexandrovich Tolstoy, how can it be she didn't know such names, but, of course, came up with the name of a famous writer? Just my thoughts, don't be offended. | | Лайк (1) |
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27 августа 2023 13:56 As for the passport, what you've taken for a title, it looks like a note. At least, it doesn't read 'comtesse'. There's a letter looking like a G and some superscripts. And, what I've noticed that the ink of the 'title' is different, it even looks printed together with the form before filling in the person's info.
Anyway, it's not a Russian document. Didn't they have any papers left from Russia? | | |
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27 августа 2023 14:15 I've found some Kolomna Nechaevs Sergey Michailovich Nechaev, Kolomna burgher. # 28, his son Aleksey https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...d14927/583Kolomna belogned to Moscow governorate. The metric book in of 1906, the city of Moscow Ivanovsky sorok (district), St Nicolas church at Kosheli The godfather is from Kaluga governorate, Maloyaroslavl uyezd, Ovchinovo volost, the hemlet of Malye Gryazi. The godmother is a wife of a Moscow craftsman. It also says that the birth took place at the church house, whatever it means. https://yandex.ru/archive/cata...d14927/572The block called Kosheli (Koshelskaya sloboda) was loacted at the very heart of Moscow, near Kremlin and Kitay-gorod. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/...0%B4%D0%B0 | | |
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| FuranNietchaieff
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27 августа 2023 15:10 27 августа 2023 15:11 >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 27 августа 2023 13:41 Ok forgot what I said about the father. I restart from 0. I add the immigration file of Maria Tolstoï. At the page 11, we can see TOLSTOY, Daniel, né à Moscou, en 1826 which mean : TOLSTOY Daniel was born at Moscow in 1826. But as I said, Daniel Tolstoï doesn't exist, until any clue of his existence. In addition with the marriage of Alexandra, Daniel's surname isn't Tolstoï but Siniavsky. That's all. I would never be offended by anyone who helps me find the truth. Don't be worried about that. It's really weird that Maria has the name of Tolstoy with such a patronymic. I hope that Maria's birth certificate can enlighten us because it's too strange. I think we've covered enough with these new discoveries about Javolo. I will do my best to obtain his birth and marriage certificate. I have the dates and places. I will come back here about Maria once I have at least one of the two documents. I would like to precise that the immigration file is in french
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27 августа 2023 16:22 27 августа 2023 16:23 I looked at the acts concerning the Netchaiev I can't put a link with Grigoriy at the moment. Maybe Grigoriy was from Kolumna. I keep that in my mind | | |
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27 августа 2023 16:35 I tried to find a Daniel Tolstoy via Yandex archives service in the metrics of Moscow city archive, but failed. You can try it yourself: https://yandex.ru/archiveThe search in based on AI, meaning it doesn't always scan the old handwritten text correctly. It's not an easy search at all. But there's the service by Moscow city administration allowing access to scanned Moscow metrical books https://cgamos.ru/metric-books/So you can find those of 1826 and go through yourself. | | |
| FuranNietchaieff
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27 августа 2023 16:42 OlgaKob написал: [q] I tried to find a Daniel Tolstoy via Yandex archives service in the metrics of Moscow city archive, but failed.
You can try it yourself: https://yandex.ru/archive
The search in based on AI, meaning it doesn't always scan the old handwritten text correctly. It's not an easy search at all.
But there's the service by Moscow city administration allowing access to scanned Moscow metrical books
https://cgamos.ru/metric-books/
So you can find those of 1826 and go through yourself.[/q]
Thank you. I will try as soon as I get home | | |
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