Óêðàèíñêèå è êàçàöêèå ôàìèëèè

Stan_is_love íàïèñàë:

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Äîêëàäûâàþ êàê îáåùàë. Ïðîõîð Ñåì¸íîâè÷ Ðåâåðà óòâåðæäàåò, ÷òî äî ðåâîëþöèè åãî ìàòü æèëà â ñåëå ×åðåìîøíîå, è ñëóæèëà ó ãðàôà ïðè êóõíå(ôàìèëèþ ãðàôà îí íå çíàåò), ó ãðàôà áûë ïîâàð èòàëüÿíåö ïî ôàìèëèè Ðåâåðà, åãî ìàòü(Ïðîõîðà Ñåì¸íîâè÷à) ïðèæèëà îò ïîâàðà ïÿòü äåòåé, ÷åòâåðî óìåðëè âî ìëàäåí÷åñòâå, ðåá¸íêó äàëè ôàìèëèþ ïîâàðà èòàëüÿíöà Ðåâåðà, à âîñïèòûâàë åãî íåðàñïèñàííûé ñ ìàòåðüþ ïðè¸ìíûé îòåö ïî ôàìèëèè Ãåìåãà, ñî ñëîâ Ïðîõîðà Ñåì¸íîâè÷à åâðåé. Ãðàô ïîñëå ðåâîëþöèè ñáåæàë. Òàê êàê ìàòü ñ îòöîì áûëè íå ðàñïèñàíû ôàìèëèþ îòöà (Ãåìåãà) Ïðîõîðó Ñåì¸íîâè÷ó íå äàëè.

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Ìèõàèëó ìîæíî ïîçàâèäîâàòü, çàìå÷àòåëüíûé ïîâîðîò ñþæåòà! À ìåíÿ Âû ñëåãêà ðàçî÷àðîâàëè. Îáåùàíî-òî áûëî ÷òî?

Stan_is_love íàïèñàë:

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Mich_Glitch
À êàê áûòü ñ êðåñòüÿíñêîé ôàìèëèåé Ðåâåðà? Òîæå îò èñêîííî-ñëàâÿíñêèõ ïðîçâèù ÷åòûðíàäöàòîãî âåêà, êàê ëþáèò ãîâàðèâàòü ëþáåçíûé NikAnDro

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Mich_Glitch íàïèñàë:

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Ìíå ïðåäñòàâëÿåòñÿ áîëåå âåðîÿòíûì ïåðåõîä áàðèí-õîëîï. (Ïîäîáíî òîìó, êàê 90% Øåðåìåòüåâûõ - ýòî ïîòîìêè êðåïîñòíûõ, ïðèíàäëåæàâøèõ Øåðåìåòüåâûì.)

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Stan_is_love íàïèñàë:

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Mich_Glitch
Âû ïîïàëè â òî÷êó! Ó òåõ Ðåâåðà â Ìîñêâå, êîòîðûõ ÿ çíàþ êàê ðàç ñðàáîòàë ïðèíöèï áàðèí-õîëîï.
Ñíèìàþ øëÿïó!

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À âåäü íåìíîãî ðàíüøå Mich_Glitch ïèñàë:

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Ñòàíèñëàâ "Ðåâåðà" Ïîòîöêè 1579-1667 (Stanislaw "Rewera" Potocki) âîåâîäà Áðàöëàâñêîãî ïîëêà.

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Ïîëó÷àëîñü, ÷òî "ïåðåõîä áàðèí-õîëîï" ñëó÷èëñÿ íà çàðå êðåñòüÿíñêèõ ôàìèëèé!

Òåïåðü îêàçûâàåòñÿ, ÷òî íå áàðèí, à ïîâàð, è íå â XVII âåêå, à â XX-ì...

Âïðî÷åì, äàðåíîìó êîíþ â çóáû íå ñìîòðÿò. Ñïàñèáî çà ðàññêàç!

Mich_Glitch
Âîò ÷òî ñåãîäíÿ óäàëîñü âûÿñíèòü, ìàòü Ïðîõîðà Ñåì¸íîâè÷à Ëóêåðüÿ Âåíåäèêòîâíà Äçþáåíêî, ðîäèëàñü òî ëè â 1903, òî ëè â 1905 ãîäó, îòåö, òîò ÷òî åãî ðàñòèë, Ñåì¸í Èâàíîâè÷ Ãåìåãà, òåõ æå ãîäîâ ðîæäåíèÿ. Ó Ïðîõîðà Ñåì¸íîâè÷à âðîäå áû äàæå ìåòðèêè ñîõðàíèëèñü. Îáåùàë ïîñìîòðåòü. Ôîòîãðàôèè áóäóò ïîçæå. È âðîäå áû îòåö åãî èç äåðåâíè Ñòåïàíêè.

Stan_is_love íàïèñàë:

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Mich_Glitch
Âîò ÷òî ñåãîäíÿ óäàëîñü âûÿñíèòü, ìàòü Ïðîõîðà Ñåì¸íîâè÷à Ëóêåðüÿ Âåíåäèêòîâíà Äçþáåíêî, ðîäèëàñü òî ëè â 1903, òî ëè â 1905 ãîäó, îòåö, òîò ÷òî åãî ðàñòèë, Ñåì¸í Èâàíîâè÷ Ãåìåãà, òåõ æå ãîäîâ ðîæäåíèÿ. Ó Ïðîõîðà Ñåì¸íîâè÷à âðîäå áû äàæå ìåòðèêè ñîõðàíèëèñü. Îáåùàë ïîñìîòðåòü. Ôîòîãðàôèè áóäóò ïîçæå. È âðîäå áû îòåö åãî èç äåðåâíè Ñòåïàíêè.

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Stan_is_love, íó, ïðÿìî êàêîå-òî èíäèéñêîå êèíî 70-õ!
Ðàì è Øàì. ©
Çèòà è Ãèòà. ©
Èëè
Êàê ÿ íàøëà áðàòèêà Ïåòþ. ©

Ôàìèëèÿ ìîåé áàáóøêè ïî îòöó - Äçþáåíêî!!!
Ñòåïàíêè ðàñïîëîæåíû îò ×åðåìîøíîãî ÷åðåç ëåñ è ðó÷å¸ê, ãäå-òî â äâóõ êèëîìåòðàõ.
Ñåé÷àñ ïîñìîòðþ ðîæäåíèÿ íà÷àëà 20 âåêà è áðàêè äâàäöàòûõ ãîäîâ.
Íàäåþñü, ÷òî Ñåìåí Èâàíîâè÷ è Ëóêåðüÿ Âåíåäèêòîâíà ïîæåíèëèñü â ×åðåìîøíîì.
Áëèí, Âû æå ñêàçàëè, ÷òî îíè íå ðàñïèñûâàëèñü!!!

Âîò ïîêà ðîäîñëîâèå äåäà Ïðîõîðà Ñåìåíîâè÷à ñî ñòîðîíû ìàòåðè. Ôðàãìåíòû, òàê êàê òàì 384 ÷åëîâåêà íà ñåãîäíÿ. Âêëþ÷àÿ ìåíÿ!!!

Stan_is_love íàïèñàë:

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Mich_Glitch
Ïîñìîòðåë ôîòî Âàøè è îòöà. Êîíå÷íî, ñõîäñòâî îïðåäåë¸ííîå ïðîñìàòðèâàåòñÿ. Òîëüêî Ïðîõîð Ñåì¸íîâè÷ ñåé÷àñ ïëîòíåå ñòàë.

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Ôîòîãðàôèè - ýòî äåëî õîðîøåå. Íî íóæíî ÷òî-òî ïîêîíêðåòíåå.
Íàäî áëàòîâàòü åãî íà êîìáèíèðîâàííûé Y-õðîìîñîìíûé è ìèòî- òåñò.

Òèïà âîò ýòîãî:

Y-DNA37+mtDNAPlus $389.00
This is the combination of a male specific Y-chromosome test and a maternal lineage mitochondrial test. A discount is provided for ordering the Y-DNA 37 test and the mtDNAPlus test together for one person. A Y-haplogroup is determined and backed by our SNP Assurance Program. For the mtDNA test, a panel of twenty-two SNPs is included for backbone haplogroup placement. When another person shows identical results within our database, if both parties have signed the Family Tree DNA Release Form, then we will inform them of the match. The customer will also receive a certificate and report describing the testing process and the meaning of thirty-seven marker and mtDNA matches.

À åù¸ ëó÷øå âîò ýòîãî:

Y-DNA67+mtDNAPlus $489.00
This is the combination of a male specific Y-chromosome test and a maternal lineage mitochondrial test. A discount is provided for ordering the Y-DNA 67 test and the mtDNAPlus test together for one person. A Y-haplogroup is determined and backed by our SNP Assurance Program. For the mtDNA test, a panel of twenty-two SNPs is included for backbone haplogroup placement. When another person shows identical results within our database, if both parties have signed the Family Tree DNA Release Form, then we will inform them of the match. The customer will also receive a certificate and report describing the testing process and the meaning of sixty-seven marker and mtDNA matches.

Íàäî âñòóïèòü â êàêîé-íèáóäü ïðîåêò è ñðàçó áóäåò áîëüøàÿ ñêèäêà.
Êðîìå òîãî áûâàþò è ñåçîííûå ñêèäêè.

Òåñò ïîçâîëèò ïîäòâåðäèòü, èëè îïðîâåðãíóòü èòàëüÿíñêóþ âåðñèþ. Òî åñòü ïîíÿòü, ÷òî ýòî - ñåìåéíàÿ ëåãåíäà. Èëè æå ñåìåéíîå ìèôîòâîð÷åñòâî.

Stan_is_love íàïèñàë:

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Mich_Glitch
À åñëè Y-DNA67+mtDNA òàì, åñëè ïàìÿòü íå èçìåíÿåò, 299$ ?

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Ýòî öåíà ñî ñêèäêàìè.
×óòü ïîçæå ãëÿíó, ÷òî òàì ñåé÷àñ ïî ïðîåêòàì ñòîèò.
Âíèçó æå ïðèâåë ïîëíóþ öåíó (ïåðåñìîòðèòå ñîîáùåíèÿ).

Íóæíû ìåòðèêè!

ß ñåé÷àñ ãëÿíóë 1903 è 1905 ã.ð. - Ëóêåðüè Âåíåäèêòîâíû íåò.
Ïîñìîòðåë áðàêè äî 1905 - Âåíåäèêòà íå íàøåë.
Ïðîáëåìà â òîì, ÷òî â ìîèõ ìåòðèêàõ ïî áðàêàì:

èìåþòñÿ äîñàäíûå äûðû â 1896, 1897 è 1901 ãîäàõ.
Äà è æåíèòüñÿ ìîãëè â ñîñåäíåì ñåëå (åñëè íåâåñòà ðîäîì îòòóäà).

Ïî ïîâîäó ÄÍÊ-òåñòîâ. Äàæå åñëè îòêèíóòü ýêçîòè÷åñêèõ èòàëüÿíöåâ (ó ìåíÿ âåñüìà ñåðüåçíûå ñîìíåíèÿ â äîñòîâåðíîñòè ýòîé ëåãåíäû), à âçÿòü â ðàñ÷åò òîëüêî íåçàêîííîðîæäåííîñòü (ïàðäîí, çà òÿæåëîâåñíîñòü ïðèäóìàííîãî òåðìèíà ), òî òåñò ïîçâîëèò òî÷íî âûÿâèòü ôàìèëüíóþ ëèíèþ.
Òåì áîëåå, ÷òî â ðàìêàõ ñâîåãî ãåíîãðàôè÷åñêîãî ïðîåêòà ïî ×åðåìîøíîìó (ññûëêà íà îïèñàíèå ïðîåêòà) ÿ ñîáèðàþñü èäåíòèôèöèðîâàòü ÄÍÊ-ïðîôèëè êàæäîé èç èìåþùèõñÿ ôàìèëüíûõ ëèíèé. Òî åñòü äëÿ êàæäîé èç ôàìèëèé èìåòü ïîäòâåðæäåííûé ãàïëîòèï.