✔ Êóðñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ/îáëàñòü

Panslawist íàïèñàë:

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Êòî-íèáóäü ñìîæåò ïîäñêàçàòü ãäå íàõîäÿòñÿ ïåðâûå 3 ðåâèçèè íà äåðåâíþ Ìîùåíêà Êóðñêîãî óåçäà è ñåëî Âèíîãðîáëü èìåííî íà ýêîíîìè÷åñêèõ/ìîíàñòðûñêèõ êðåñòüÿí?

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â Êóðñêîì àðõèâå ïî Êóðñêîìó óåçäó âñå ïåðåñìîòðåëè? â ïåðâûõ ðåâèçèÿõ íå âûäåëÿëè îòäåëüíûå äåëà ïî ñîñëîâèÿì. ïîýòîìó íàäî ñìîòðåòü ñïëîøíÿêîì.
ó ìåíÿ ïî òðåòüåé ðåâèçèè ðàçíûå ñîñëîâèÿ â îäíîé äåðåâíå, íàõîäÿòñÿ â ðàçíûõ ìåñòàõ â äåëå.

Ïûòàþñü íàéòè èíôîðìàöèþ î ñåìüå ìàòåðè ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè Êîâàëåâîé Åâäîêèè Àôàíàñüåâíû. Îíà ðîäèëàñü â ìàðòå 1884 ãîäà â Èâàíîâñêîì Ðûëüñêîãî ðàéîíà â ñòàðîîáðÿä÷åñêîé ñåìüå. Åå îòöîì èäåíòèôèöèðîâàí êàê Êîâàëåâ Àôàíàñèé Ôåäîðîâè÷, êîòîðîìó â ãîä åå ðîæäåíèÿ áûëî îêîëî 62 ëåò. Î ìàòåðè íè÷åãî íå èçâåñòíî. Çàïèñü î ðîæäåíèè Åâäîêèè â àðõèâàõ îòñóòñòâóåò.

Ñâîäíûå áðàòüÿ Åâäîêèè — Âëàäèìèð (10 èþíÿ 1869 ã.) è Èâàí (1867 ã.ð.). Ìàòåðüþ Âëàäèìèðà è Èâàíà áûëà Ïåëàãåÿ Àëåêñååâà (ðîä. â 1824 ã.). Àôàíñèé áûë â ðåêðóòàõ ñ 1852 ã.

Åñòü ëè â Ãîñóäàðñòâåííîì àðõèâå Êóðñêîé îáëàñòè çàïèñè, êîòîðûå ìîãëè áû ïîìî÷ü óçíàòü î ìàòåðè Åâäîêèè?

Åñëè êòî-òî èìååò îòíîøåíèå ê Âëàäèìèðó èëè Èâàíó, áóäó ðàä óñëûøàòü âàøå ìíåíèå!

Ìîÿ èññëåäîâàòåëüñêàÿ ðîäîñëîâíàÿ â Èâàíîâñêîì òùàòåëüíî èçó÷åíà. Ôàìèëèè ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ èç Èâàíîâñêîãî - Ìóõèí, Ñâèðèäîâ, Ïîäïîðêèí, Ðûøêîâ, Êðàñíóõèí, Òþíèí, Êîíäðàøåâ, Ôåäîñèõèí-Åð¸ìèí, Ñîáîëåâ, Áîðîäèí-Ãóñåâ, Ïîäëåñíûé, Ñìåòàíèí, Ïëèãèí, Äîðîôååâ, Íîâèêîâ,

camy íàïèñàë:

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veramiller1 wrote:

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Her father has been identified as Afanasy Fedorovich Kovalev, who was approximately 62 years old at the time of her birth. Nothing is known about her mother. There is no record of Evdokia's birth in the archives.

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How was she identified?

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if no baptismal records were found, why did you decide she was the daughter of Afanasy and his unknown wife?

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ß ïåðåñìîòðåë îòâåòû, ïîëó÷åííûå â 2023 ãîäó. Ïî áîëüøåé ÷àñòè ýòî áûëè ëèáî ãðóáûå êîììåíòàðèè, ëèáî ñîîáùåíèÿ, íå ñîäåðæàùèå êîíêðåòíûõ ðåêîìåíäàöèé ïî ïîèñêó èíôîðìàöèè. ß èùó â àðõèâàõ äîêóìåíòû, êîòîðûå ìîãëè áû ïîäòâåðäèòü ïðîæèâàíèå Åâäîêèè â êàêîé-ëèáî ñåìüå (äîìîõîçÿéñòâå) â ïåðèîä ñ 1884 ïî 1903 ãîä. Ñóùåñòâóþò ëè àðõèâíûå çàïèñè, â êîòîðûõ ïåðå÷èñëÿëèñü áû ÷ëåíû ñåìüè (äîìîõîçÿéñòâà) çà ýòîò âðåìåííîé ïðîìåæóòîê? Îíà âûøëà çàìóæ â 1904 ãîäó, ïîýòîìó ÿ ïðåäïîëàãàþ, ÷òî ïîñëå ýòîãî îíà æèëà óæå ñ ìóæåì. Âñêîðå ïîñëå ñâàäüáû îíè óåõàëè â Êèåâ.  ñåíòÿáðå 1905 ãîäà â Êèåâå ó íèõ ðîäèëñÿ ðåáåíîê.

Îäèí èç èññëåäîâàòåëåé óñòàíîâèë, ÷òî èìåííî ýòîò ìóæ÷èíà ÿâëÿåòñÿ îòöîì ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè.  çàïèñÿõ î å¸ áðàêîñî÷åòàíèè, à òàêæå â ñâèäåòåëüñòâàõ î ðîæäåíèè å¸ äåòåé, â êà÷åñòâå îò÷åñòâà óêàçàíî «Àôàíàñüåâíà».

murenaa11 íàïèñàë:

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ß íå êóðÿíêà , æèâó â Àðõàíãåëüñêå, áàáóøêà æèëà â Êóðñêîé îáëàñòè äî 15 ëåò, ïîòîì óåõàëà íà ñåâåð, Ïðèä¸òñÿ ðàáîòàòü çàïðîñàìè

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Ìîÿ áàáóøêà òîæå èç ýòîé äåðåâíè ðîäîì, Ëóíåâà Êëàâäèÿ Ìèõàéëîâíà 1929 ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ, ñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà âàø çàïðîñ ñðàáîòàë? Ñòîèò òóäà îáðàùàòüñÿ?

nika-svetlana íàïèñàë:

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Óâàæàåìûå ôîðóì÷àíå. Ïîäñêàæèòå, ÷òî ìîæíî ïðåäïðèíÿòü. Î÷åíü áîëüøîé âðåìåííîé ïåðèîä îò ïîñëåäíåé ÐÑ è äî ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ äåäà 1903 ãîäà, íå ìîãó ñäåëàòü ñâÿçêó ïî ïðåäêàì. Ìîæåò áûòü êòî òî ñìîòðåë â àðõèâå äåëî "îáùåñòâî êðåñòüÿí ñ Ñîëäàòñêîãî è Ïîêðîâñêîãî Ëèñè÷àíñêîé âîëîñòè Ãðàéâîðîíñêîãî óåçäà"? Èëè åñòü ïîäñêàçêè ãäå ìîæíî åùå ïîêîïàòü? Î÷åíü ìàëî äîêóìåíòîâ ïî Ãðàéâîðîíñêîìó óåçäó.

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Ìîæíî ïîïðîáîâàòü òàêîé ïóòü.  àðõèâå åñòü ïåðåïèñü 1920 ãîäà. Îíà íå î÷åíü èíôîðìàòèâíà, íî, çíàÿ îò÷åñòâî äåäà, ìîæíî ïîïðîáîâàòü íàéòè åãî îòöà.  1920-ì ãîäó âàøåìó äåäó âñåãî 17 ëåò. È, ñêîðåå âñåãî, îí åùå æèâåò â ðîäèòåëüñêîì äîìå. Òàêèì îáðàçîì, ìîæíî óçíàòü èìÿ è îò÷åñòâî ñâîåãî ïðàäåäà. À ýòî óæå ïðÿìîé âûõîä íà ïîñëåäíþþ ðåâèçèþ 1858 ãîäà. Ïîòîìó ÷òî, êòî â ïåðåïèñè 1920 ãîäà "â îò÷åñòâàõ", òîò â ïîñëåäíåé ðåâèçèè 1858 ãîäà "â äåòÿõ." Óäà÷è Âàì!