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ß ýòè çàïèñè íå íàøëà, à ïðîñòî ïðîñìàòðèâàëà ýòè ìåòðè÷åñêèå çàïèñè íà ìèêðîôèëüìå.
Ìèêðîôèëüìû ìîæíî çàêàçàòü â ëþáîì áëèæàéøåì ê Âàì öåíòðå ñåìåéíîé èñòîðèè (Family History Centers) çà ïðåäåëàìè Ðîññèè. Òî÷íåå, ñåé÷àñ óæå ýòî âñå äåëàåòñÿ ÷åðåç èíòåðíåò, íî îïðåäåëèòü, êóäà Âû áóäåòå åçäèòü ñìîòðåòü ýòè çàïèñè, íóæíî ïåðåä çàêàçîì. Äóìàþ, â öåíòð ñåìåéíîé èñòîðèè ìîæíî è ïîçâîíèòü - îíè Âàì, äóìàþ, ïîìîãóò, â ò.÷. è ñ çàêàçîì.
Çàïèñè ïî ëþòåðàíàì íà äâóõ ìèêðîôèëüìàõ - íîìåð 2344176 è íîìåð 2344177. Ïðè÷åì èõ êîïèè äîëæíû õðàíèòüñÿ â Ãåðìàíèè, ò.ê. òàì íàõîäèòñÿ öåíòðàëüíîå îòäåëåíèå ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîé áèáëèîòåêè Ñîëò-Ëåéê Ñèòè ïî Åâðîïå, è îáà ýòè ìèêðîôèëüìà â Åâðîïå âîñòðåáîâàíû.
Íà ýòèõ æå ìèêðîôèëüìàõ è Ðèìñêàÿ êàòîëè÷åñêàÿ öåðêîâü Ñàìàðû.

 àëôàâèòíûõ ñïèñêàõ è ìîèõ çàïèñÿõ ôàìèëèþ Ëèñíåð (Ëèññíåð) íå âèæó. Íî, êàê ÿ ïèñàëà, àëôàâèòíûå ñïèñêè î÷åíü íåïîëíûå è ñ ìàññîé îøèáîê èëè îïèñîê Ñàìè àëôàâèòíûå ñïèñêè - â äâóõ ïåðâûõ ñîîáùåíèÿõ ýòîé òåìû.

À âûïèñîê ÿ äåëàëà î÷åíü ìàëî. Òàê ÷òî Âàì, êîíå÷íî, ëó÷øå âñåãî, äóìàþ, çàêàçàòü ìèêðîôèëüìû è ñïîêîéíî ïðîñìîòðåòü âñå ìåòðè÷åñêèå çàïèñè ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî. Òóò è çàïðîñîâ â Ñàìàðñêèé àðõèâ äåëàòü íå íóæíî, ò.ê. íà ìèêðîôèëüìàõ àáñîëþòíî òî æå ñàìîå. Êñòàòè, çäåñü æå, â ýòîé òåìå, ÿ íåîäíîêðàòíî ïèñàëà íîìåðà ôîíäà, îïèñåé è äåë, â êîòîðûõ ýòè ìåòðè÷åñêèå çàïèñè õðàíÿòñÿ â Ãîñàðõèâå Ñàìàðñêîé îáëàñòè.

Âû óâåðåíû, ÷òî Âàøè Ëèñíåðû ëþòåðàíå? À òî äàííûå ïî ìåííîíèòàì, íàïðèìåð, íàñêîëüêî ÿ ïîíÿëà, â Àðõèâå Ýíãåëüñà è Ñàðàòîâà, ïî-ìîåìó. À ýòè àðõèâû íà ìèêðîôèëüìû íå êîïèðîâàëèñü.

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×òî-òî íèêàê íå ñîâëàäàþ ñ ïîèñêîì áëèæàéøåãî öåíòðà ñåìåéíîãî ïîèñêà, ïîñìîòðèòå, ïîæàëóéñòà, åñòü ëè ìèêðîôèëüìû ïî Íîâîñêàòîâêå (Neu Straub) ßãîäíîïîëÿíñêîãî ðàéîíà Ñàðàòîâñêîé îáëàñòè.

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Íîâîñêàòîâêà - ýòî Êàìûøèíñêèé óåçä???

Ïîèñê âûäàåò 2 ðåçóëüòàòà:
Russia, Saratov, Kamyshin, Skatovka - Census - 1834
Russia, Saratov, Kamyshin, Skatovka - Census - 1857

Neu-Straub is also known as Skatovka.
Includes surname index.

Òîëüêî ýòî, óâû, ìîíîãðàôèÿ.
Title 1834 census of Neu-Straub in the district of Saratov, Russia
Stmnt.Resp. translated by Brent Mai
Authors American Historical Society of Germans from Russia (Added Author)
Mai, Brent Alan, 1964- (Added Author)
Format Books/Monographs
Language English
Publication Lincoln, Nebraska : American Historical Society of Germans From Russia, c2006
Physical 18 p.

Óâû, è ïî âòîðîé ññûëêå - òîæå ìîíîãðàôèÿ.
Title 1857 census of Eckheim in the district of Samara, Russia
Stmnt.Resp. Brent Mai
Authors Mai, Brent Alan, 1964- (Main Author)
Notes "Eckheim was founded in 1855 by Lutheran colonists resettling from Holstein, Müller, Galka, Kraft, Schwab, Dobrinka, Grimm, and Shcherbakovka. It is located 560 versts from Samara and 112 versts from Saratov. It is 13 miles to Friedenfeld, the nearest railroad station. Its name was changed to Skatovka in 1915. " -- website, Center for Volga German Studies
Includes index.
Format Books/Monographs
Language English
Publication Beaverton, Oregon : Dynasty Pub., c2010
Physical 27 p.

Êàê ìîíîãðàôèè çàêàçûâàòü è ìîæíî ëè âîîáùå ýòî äåëàòü, íå èìåþ ïîíÿòèÿ. Äóìàþ, ìîæíî íàïèñàòü èì ïèñüìî è ñïðîñèòü. Èëè, âîçìîæíî, íà ñàéòå ãäå-òî ýòà èíôîðìàöèÿ åñòü.

Âîò åùå. Ýòî óæå ìèêðîôèëüìû!!! Ïðàâäà, òóò Ñêàòîâêà, à íå Íîâîñêàòîâêà.
Place Russia, Saratov, Kamyshin, Skatovka
Part of Russia, Saratov, Kamyshin
An uyezd (district) in the Saratov guberniya (province).
Ðåâèçñêèå ñêàçêè : Êàìûøèí (óåçä) : Âîëæñêèå íåìöû, 1857 Ñàðàòîâ (Ñàðàòîâ). Ãóáåðíñêàÿ êàçåííàÿ ïàëàòà
Ìèêðîôèëüìèðîâàííîå èçäàíèå ðóêîïèñåé â Ãîñóäàðñòâåííîì àðõèâå Ñàìàðñêîé îáëàñòè â Ñàìàðå, Ðîññèÿ.
Revision lists (census lists used to levy a poll tax) for Volga German colonies in the Kamyshin district of the Saratov province in Russia. The lists contain the names of all taxable persons from each city, town, village or estate arranged by household, giving the relationship to the head of house and ages. Some files include an internal index of village names. Text in Russian.
Ôîíä 150, îïèñü 1, äåëà 141, 143.
íà 2 ìèêðîôèëüìàõ ; 35 ìì
Ô. 150, î. 1, ä. 141 Ðåâèçñêèå ñêàçêè 1857 (ñòð. 121-398; ïåðåñåëåíöû â êîëîíèè Íîâîóçåíñêîãî óåçäà) FHL INTL Film
2379339 Item 2
Ô. 150, î. 1, ä. 143 Ðåâèçñêèå ñêàçêè 1857 (ïåðåñåëåíöû â êîëîíèè Íîâîóçåíñêîãî óåçäà) FHL INTL Film 2373594 Item 2

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