FTDNA
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30 èþíÿ 2024 18:22 Lesla íàïèñàë: [q] virma íàïèñàë:
[q] âûäàåò òîëüêî ñòðàíèöó êóïëè ñàìîãî òåñòà
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Ýòî íå ñòðàíèöà ïîêóïêè òåñòà. ÔÒÄÍÀ ïðîñèò çàïîëíèòü Âàøè êîíòàêòíûå äàííûå: ÔÈÎ è àäðåñ. Ðîññèþ â àäðåñå îí íå äàñò âîçìîæíîñòü âûáðàòü - ïîñòàâüòå ëþáóþ äðóãóþ ñòðàíó. Ïî ÔÈÎ è îñòàëüíûì ïîëÿì - ìîæíî ÷òî óãîäíî íàïèñàòü. Åìàéë òàêæå çàïîëíèòü. Ïîòîì âûáåðèòå ïîë ïðîòåñòèðîâàííîãî, ïîòîì ïàðó ðàç áóäåò ïðåäëîæåíèå ñîãëàñèòüñÿ ñ óñëîâèÿìè ïîëüçîâàíèÿ ñàéòà è âñå.
P.S. Ñòðàííî òîëüêî, ÷òî ýòó ôîðìó òîëüêî ñåé÷àñ Âàì äàëè çàïîëíèòü. Îíà âîîáùå-òî çàïîëíÿåòñÿ ïåðåä ïåðåíîñîì ñ ÌÕ ðåçóëüòàòîâ òåñòèðîâàíèÿ...[/q]
À ïðè÷åì òîãäà sipping address? ×òî êàñàåòñÿ èìåíè, ôàìèëèè è ýë.ïî÷òû, òî îíà àâòîìàòè÷åñêè çàïîëíåíà, ïðîñòî ÿ ýòè ïîëÿ ñòåðëà, äëÿ ôîòîãðàôèðîâàíèÿ. ß óæå ïèñàëà, ÷òî ïîñûëàëû äàííûå äî÷êè è ìîè è íè÷åãî òàêîãî òîãäà íå áûëî. Ëè÷íûé êàáèíåò îòêðûò ïî íîìåðó êèòà, â ýòîì ïðîáëåì íåò, çàõîæó ñâîáîäíî, íî äàëüøå òîëüêî âûäàåò âîò ýòî. --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ ïî Ëèñèöêèå Ïàâåë, Ñåðàôèìà, Ðàèñà, Åâãåíèÿ Ìèõàéëîâè÷è, Ìèõàèë Èâàíîâè÷, (Àñòðàõàíñêàÿ ãóá, ), Íèêàíîðîâû, Àïàëüêîâû Åâäîêèÿ, Âëàäèìèð, Àíòîíèíà, Íèêîëàé, Òàòüÿíà,Àëåêñàíäð, Ïåòð, îòåö Èâàí Ñåðãååâè÷ (Êðàñíîäàðñêèé êðàé, ìåùàíå ã. Åéñêà), ßêîâ è Àííà ßêîâëåâíà Ïîëòî(à)ðàöêèå | | |
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30 èþíÿ 2024 19:08 virma íàïèñàë: [q] À ïðè÷åì òîãäà sipping address?[/q]
Ýòî àäðåñ äîñòàâêè. Áåç åãî çàïîëíåíèÿ ÔÒÄÍÀ íå äàåò çàâåðøèòü ðåãèñòðàöèþ âèäèìî. Ïîñòàâüòå òàì õîòü òî÷êó è ñîõðàíèòå âíåñåííûå èçìåíåíèÿ. --- Ìîé êàíàë â Òåëåãðàììå, ãäå ðàññêàçûâàþ î ïðèìåíåíèè ìåòîäîâ ÄÍÊ-òåñòèðîâàíèÿ â ãåíåàëîãèè.
Èùó æèòåëåé è ïîòîìêîâ æèòåëåé ää. Ðó÷üåâàÿ Äåäîâè÷åñêîãî è Äóáêè Áåæàíèöêîãî ðàéîíîâ Ïñêîâñêîé îáë. | | |
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1 èþëÿ 2024 20:11 Lesla íàïèñàë: [q] virma íàïèñàë:
[q] À ïðè÷åì òîãäà sipping address?
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Ýòî àäðåñ äîñòàâêè. Áåç åãî çàïîëíåíèÿ ÔÒÄÍÀ íå äàåò çàâåðøèòü ðåãèñòðàöèþ âèäèìî. Ïîñòàâüòå òàì õîòü òî÷êó è ñîõðàíèòå âíåñåííûå èçìåíåíèÿ.[/q]
Åñëè ÿ çàõîæó â ëè÷íûé êàáèíåò è âûñâå÷èâàåòñÿ èìÿ, ôàìèëèÿ è íîìåð êèòà, çíà÷èò ðåãèñòðàöèÿ çàâåðøåíà. Çäåñü â ÷åì-òî äðóãîì ïðîáëåìà íàâåðíîå. --- Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ ïî Ëèñèöêèå Ïàâåë, Ñåðàôèìà, Ðàèñà, Åâãåíèÿ Ìèõàéëîâè÷è, Ìèõàèë Èâàíîâè÷, (Àñòðàõàíñêàÿ ãóá, ), Íèêàíîðîâû, Àïàëüêîâû Åâäîêèÿ, Âëàäèìèð, Àíòîíèíà, Íèêîëàé, Òàòüÿíà,Àëåêñàíäð, Ïåòð, îòåö Èâàí Ñåðãååâè÷ (Êðàñíîäàðñêèé êðàé, ìåùàíå ã. Åéñêà), ßêîâ è Àííà ßêîâëåâíà Ïîëòî(à)ðàöêèå | | |
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1 èþëÿ 2024 20:51 virma íàïèñàë: [q] Çäåñü â ÷åì-òî äðóãîì ïðîáëåìà íàâåðíîå[/q]
Íàïèøèòå èì â ïîääåðæêó. --- Ìîé êàíàë â Òåëåãðàììå, ãäå ðàññêàçûâàþ î ïðèìåíåíèè ìåòîäîâ ÄÍÊ-òåñòèðîâàíèÿ â ãåíåàëîãèè.
Èùó æèòåëåé è ïîòîìêîâ æèòåëåé ää. Ðó÷üåâàÿ Äåäîâè÷åñêîãî è Äóáêè Áåæàíèöêîãî ðàéîíîâ Ïñêîâñêîé îáë. | | |
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18 èþëÿ 2024 12:01 18 èþëÿ 2024 12:05 Îáúÿâèëè î êîëëàáîðàöèè ñ MyHeritage îòíîñèòåëüíî èíôî ïî ãåí.äåðåâüÿì
Ïîêà ýòà íîâîñòü âûçûâàåò òîííó âîïðîñîâ è îïàñåíèé. Ïîëüçîâàòåëè óæå ìíîãî íàïèñàëè â êàììåíòàõ íà ôåéñáóêå. Ïàðó ñàìûõ îïàñíûõ ìåñò ÿ âûäåëèëà ïîä÷åðêèâàíèåì. Âîò òåêñò èç èíôî-ïèñüìà è åãî ãóãëî-ïåðåâîä:
We are excited to announce an enhancement to our partnership with MyHeritage to help you explore your family history further. Now, you can enjoy most of MyHeritage's top-rated family tree-building tools for free,* and with a subscription,** you can unlock your matches and access over 20 billion historical records.
With over 50 million users and automated matching, MyHeritage allows you to combine your genetic results from FamilyTreeDNA with genealogical records on MyHeritage. This integration empowers you to build the most comprehensive family tree possible.
To get started, link your FamilyTreeDNA account to MyHeritage. This will allow you to seamlessly transfer your existing FamilyTreeDNA tree to MyHeritage, create a new tree on MyHeritage, or utilize an existing MyHeritage tree that you already have.
Starting September 9, 2024, your FamilyTreeDNA tree will become read-only as we retire our tree builder tool. However, you can still transfer your tree to MyHeritage at any time to ensure an uninterrupted genealogical experience.
On MyHeritage, you can grow your tree using web, mobile, and desktop apps and use powerful tools that match your tree to billions of historical records and other family trees. This offers opportunities for new family history discoveries and maximizes the value of your genealogical research.
For detailed instructions on linking your account and getting started, click "Learn More" below to sign in and find out more.
///// Ìû ðàäû îáúÿâèòü î ðàñøèðåíèè íàøåãî ïàðòíåðñòâà ñ MyHeritage, ÷òîáû ïîìî÷ü âàì ãëóáæå èçó÷èòü èñòîðèþ ñâîåé ñåìüè. Òåïåðü âû ìîæåòå áåñïëàòíî* ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ áîëüøèíñòâîì ëó÷øèõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ MyHeritage äëÿ ïîñòðîåíèÿ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî äðåâà, à ñ ïîäïèñêîé** âû ñìîæåòå ðàçáëîêèðîâàòü ñîâïàäåíèÿ è ïîëó÷èòü äîñòóï ê áîëåå ÷åì 20 ìèëëèàðäàì èñòîðè÷åñêèõ çàïèñåé.
Èìåÿ áîëåå 50 ìèëëèîíîâ ïîëüçîâàòåëåé è àâòîìàòè÷åñêîå ñîïîñòàâëåíèå, MyHeritage ïîçâîëÿåò âàì îáúåäèíÿòü ãåíåòè÷åñêèå ðåçóëüòàòû FamilyTreeDNA ñ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèìè çàïèñÿìè íà MyHeritage. Ýòà èíòåãðàöèÿ ïîçâîëèò âàì ïîñòðîèòü íàèáîëåå ïîëíîå ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå äðåâî.
Äëÿ íà÷àëà ñâÿæèòå ñâîþ ó÷åòíóþ çàïèñü FamilyTreeDNA ñ MyHeritage. Ýòî ïîçâîëèò âàì áåñïðåïÿòñòâåííî ïåðåíåñòè ñóùåñòâóþùåå äåðåâî FamilyTreeDNA â MyHeritage, ñîçäàòü íîâîå äåðåâî íà MyHeritage èëè èñïîëüçîâàòü ñóùåñòâóþùåå äåðåâî MyHeritage, êîòîðîå ó âàñ óæå åñòü.
Ñ 9 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2024 ã. âàøå äåðåâî FamilyTreeDNA ñòàíåò äîñòóïíî òîëüêî äëÿ ÷òåíèÿ, ïîñêîëüêó ìû óïðàçäíèì íàø èíñòðóìåíò äëÿ ïîñòðîåíèÿ äåðåâüåâ. Òåì íå ìåíåå, âû âñå ðàâíî ìîæåòå â ëþáîå âðåìÿ ïåðåíåñòè ñâîå äåðåâî íà MyHeritage, ÷òîáû îáåñïå÷èòü íåïðåðûâíûé ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèé îïûò.
Íà MyHeritage âû ìîæåòå âûðàñòèòü ñâîå äåðåâî ñ ïîìîùüþ âåá-ïðèëîæåíèé, ìîáèëüíûõ è íàñòîëüíûõ ïðèëîæåíèé, à òàêæå èñïîëüçîâàòü ìîùíûå èíñòðóìåíòû, êîòîðûå ñîïîñòàâÿò âàøå äåðåâî ñ ìèëëèàðäàìè èñòîðè÷åñêèõ çàïèñåé è äðóãèìè ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèìè äåðåâüÿìè. Ýòî îòêðûâàåò âîçìîæíîñòè äëÿ íîâûõ îòêðûòèé â îáëàñòè ñåìåéíîé èñòîðèè è óâåëè÷èâàåò öåííîñòü âàøèõ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ èññëåäîâàíèé.
Äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïîäðîáíûõ èíñòðóêöèé ïî ïðèâÿçêå âàøåé ó÷åòíîé çàïèñè è íà÷àëó ðàáîòû íàæìèòå «Ïîäðîáíåå» íèæå, ÷òîáû âîéòè â ñèñòåìó è óçíàòü áîëüøå. --- Áàëàêøåé, Áàðëàäÿí, Ãðèäèí, Äàâûäîâ, Äàííóöà, Äàíóöà, Åðåìèí, Êàðàóø, Êàóøàí, Êèñåë¸â, Êîðîé, Êîðóïêà, Êóçíåöîâ, Ëóïàøêî, Ìèðìà, Íèêèòèí, Ïàííà, Ïàííîâ, Ïåðåâåðçåâ, Ïîïîâ, Ðîòàðü, Ñîòíèêîâ, Òîëìàø, Òîëìà÷, Òðóíîâ, Ôîêøà, ×îáîòàðü
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19 èþëÿ 2024 2:14 KoraCarrera íàïèñàë: [q] Îáúÿâèëè î êîëëàáîðàöèè ñ MyHeritage îòíîñèòåëüíî èíôî ïî ãåí.äåðåâüÿì
Ïîêà ýòà íîâîñòü âûçûâàåò òîííó âîïðîñîâ è îïàñåíèé. Ïîëüçîâàòåëè óæå ìíîãî íàïèñàëè â êàììåíòàõ íà ôåéñáóêå. Ïàðó ñàìûõ îïàñíûõ ìåñò ÿ âûäåëèëà ïîä÷åðêèâàíèåì. Âîò òåêñò èç èíôî-ïèñüìà è åãî ãóãëî-ïåðåâîä:
We are excited to announce an enhancement to our partnership with MyHeritage to help you explore your family history further. Now, you can enjoy most of MyHeritage's top-rated family tree-building tools for free,* and with a subscription,** you can unlock your matches and access over 20 billion historical records.
With over 50 million users and automated matching, MyHeritage allows you to combine your genetic results from FamilyTreeDNA with genealogical records on MyHeritage. This integration empowers you to build the most comprehensive family tree possible.
To get started, link your FamilyTreeDNA account to MyHeritage. This will allow you to seamlessly transfer your existing FamilyTreeDNA tree to MyHeritage, create a new tree on MyHeritage, or utilize an existing MyHeritage tree that you already have.
Starting September 9, 2024, your FamilyTreeDNA tree will become read-only as we retire our tree builder tool. However, you can still transfer your tree to MyHeritage at any time to ensure an uninterrupted genealogical experience.
On MyHeritage, you can grow your tree using web, mobile, and desktop apps and use powerful tools that match your tree to billions of historical records and other family trees. This offers opportunities for new family history discoveries and maximizes the value of your genealogical research.
For detailed instructions on linking your account and getting started, click "Learn More" below to sign in and find out more.
///// Ìû ðàäû îáúÿâèòü î ðàñøèðåíèè íàøåãî ïàðòíåðñòâà ñ MyHeritage, ÷òîáû ïîìî÷ü âàì ãëóáæå èçó÷èòü èñòîðèþ ñâîåé ñåìüè. Òåïåðü âû ìîæåòå áåñïëàòíî* ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ áîëüøèíñòâîì ëó÷øèõ èíñòðóìåíòîâ MyHeritage äëÿ ïîñòðîåíèÿ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîãî äðåâà, à ñ ïîäïèñêîé** âû ñìîæåòå ðàçáëîêèðîâàòü ñîâïàäåíèÿ è ïîëó÷èòü äîñòóï ê áîëåå ÷åì 20 ìèëëèàðäàì èñòîðè÷åñêèõ çàïèñåé.
Èìåÿ áîëåå 50 ìèëëèîíîâ ïîëüçîâàòåëåé è àâòîìàòè÷åñêîå ñîïîñòàâëåíèå, MyHeritage ïîçâîëÿåò âàì îáúåäèíÿòü ãåíåòè÷åñêèå ðåçóëüòàòû FamilyTreeDNA ñ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèìè çàïèñÿìè íà MyHeritage. Ýòà èíòåãðàöèÿ ïîçâîëèò âàì ïîñòðîèòü íàèáîëåå ïîëíîå ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå äðåâî.
Äëÿ íà÷àëà ñâÿæèòå ñâîþ ó÷åòíóþ çàïèñü FamilyTreeDNA ñ MyHeritage. Ýòî ïîçâîëèò âàì áåñïðåïÿòñòâåííî ïåðåíåñòè ñóùåñòâóþùåå äåðåâî FamilyTreeDNA â MyHeritage, ñîçäàòü íîâîå äåðåâî íà MyHeritage èëè èñïîëüçîâàòü ñóùåñòâóþùåå äåðåâî MyHeritage, êîòîðîå ó âàñ óæå åñòü.
Ñ 9 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2024 ã. âàøå äåðåâî FamilyTreeDNA ñòàíåò äîñòóïíî òîëüêî äëÿ ÷òåíèÿ, ïîñêîëüêó ìû óïðàçäíèì íàø èíñòðóìåíò äëÿ ïîñòðîåíèÿ äåðåâüåâ. Òåì íå ìåíåå, âû âñå ðàâíî ìîæåòå â ëþáîå âðåìÿ ïåðåíåñòè ñâîå äåðåâî íà MyHeritage, ÷òîáû îáåñïå÷èòü íåïðåðûâíûé ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèé îïûò.
Íà MyHeritage âû ìîæåòå âûðàñòèòü ñâîå äåðåâî ñ ïîìîùüþ âåá-ïðèëîæåíèé, ìîáèëüíûõ è íàñòîëüíûõ ïðèëîæåíèé, à òàêæå èñïîëüçîâàòü ìîùíûå èíñòðóìåíòû, êîòîðûå ñîïîñòàâÿò âàøå äåðåâî ñ ìèëëèàðäàìè èñòîðè÷åñêèõ çàïèñåé è äðóãèìè ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèìè äåðåâüÿìè. Ýòî îòêðûâàåò âîçìîæíîñòè äëÿ íîâûõ îòêðûòèé â îáëàñòè ñåìåéíîé èñòîðèè è óâåëè÷èâàåò öåííîñòü âàøèõ ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèõ èññëåäîâàíèé.
Äëÿ ïîëó÷åíèÿ ïîäðîáíûõ èíñòðóêöèé ïî ïðèâÿçêå âàøåé ó÷åòíîé çàïèñè è íà÷àëó ðàáîòû íàæìèòå «Ïîäðîáíåå» íèæå, ÷òîáû âîéòè â ñèñòåìó è óçíàòü áîëüøå.[/q]
Òîãäà íàâåðíî ó ñîâïàäåíöåâ áóäåò ññûëêà íà äðåâî â myheritage, ÷òî âåñüìà èíòåðåñíî. | | |
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30 èþëÿ 2024 21:30 Äîáðûé äåíü. Ñäåëàëà ðîäèòåëÿì Y è Mt òåñòû, îíè ãîòîâû, êîå êàê íàøëà êíîïêó äëÿ ñêà÷èâàíèÿ ðåçóëüòàòîâ ðàñøèðåíèå .csv
Ïûòàþñü çàãðóçèòü ýòîò ôàéë íà ãåíîòåê è ãåòìàò÷ - ïèøåò ÷òî ôîðìàò íå òîò. Ïîäñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, ìîæåò ÿ íå òîò ôàéë ñêà÷èâàþ èëè ðàñøèðåííûå òåñòû êàê-òî ïî-äðóãîìó çàãðóæàþòñÿ? Ãäå âçÿòü íóæíûé ôàéë? --- Àâäîøêèíû, Èâàíîâû (äåðåâíè Íîâàÿ è Çàõîæêè, Âàëäàé Íîâãîðîäñêîé îáëàñòè) Àâäååâû, Óëàíîâû (Ñåëî Ëåíèíî, Áîëüøàÿ Åëàíü, Ïåíçåíñêàÿ îáëàñòü), Ïåíñêîé (Õàíêàéñêèé ðàéîí, Ïðèìîðüå, Âîðîíåæñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ), Ðîãà÷åâû, Õîëîäíûõ (ä Êîëûáåëîâêà, Ëèïåöêèé óåçä Ãðÿçèíñêèé ðàéîí) | | |
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31 èþëÿ 2024 12:26 Ksenia Nikolaeva íàïèñàë: [q] Ïûòàþñü çàãðóçèòü ýòîò ôàéë íà ãåíîòåê è ãåòìàò÷ - ïèøåò ÷òî ôîðìàò íå òîò.[/q]
Êîíå÷íî íå òîò) Y è Mt òåñòû íå çàãðóçèòü íà äàííûå ðåñóðñû. Ãåíîòåê, ÌÕ, Ãåäìàò÷ ïðèíèìàþò ðåçóëüòàòû òåñòèðîâàíèÿ òîëüêî àòóîñîìíûõ òåñòîâ.  ÔÒÄÍÀ äàííûé òåñò íàçûâàåòñÿ Family Finder. --- Ìîé êàíàë â Òåëåãðàììå, ãäå ðàññêàçûâàþ î ïðèìåíåíèè ìåòîäîâ ÄÍÊ-òåñòèðîâàíèÿ â ãåíåàëîãèè.
Èùó æèòåëåé è ïîòîìêîâ æèòåëåé ää. Ðó÷üåâàÿ Äåäîâè÷åñêîãî è Äóáêè Áåæàíèöêîãî ðàéîíîâ Ïñêîâñêîé îáë. | | Ëàéê (2) |
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4 àâãóñòà 2024 7:58 alexandr2001 íàïèñàë: [q] Äîáðûé äåíü! Êòî-íèáóäü çíàåò, åñëè ÿ ñäàì àóòîñîìíûé òåñò íà MH, à ïîòîì ïåðåíåñó äàííûå â FTDNA, òî FTDNA îòîáðàçèò Y-ãàïëîãðóïïó? Èëè ýòî îáíîâëåíèå äåéñòâóåò òîëüêî ïðè íåïîñðåäñòâåííîé ñäà÷å ó íèõ?[/q]
Òîëüêî ó íèõ. Ïîòîì âèäíî áóäåò,òàê êàê îáåùàëè ïåðåíåñåííûå òîæå ïîëó÷àò ,íî íå èçâåñòíî êîãäà. | | |
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