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ïîäñêàæèòå êóäà îáðàòèòüñÿ, ðàçûñêèâàåòñÿ ÷åëîâåê èëè åãî ðîäñòâåííèêè
ÉÎÃÀÍ ÒÎÌÀÑ 1925 ã.ð. ïðîæèâàë äî âîéíû 41-45ãã
â ñ.Êþïåð â 8 êì. îò ã. Çàãàí
Ñ óâ. Ñåðãåé
(Ñîîáùåíèå îòðåäàêòèðîâàë SerP 11 ìàÿ 2005 12:58)
(Ñîîáùåíèå îòðåäàêòèðîâàë SerP 12 ìàÿ 2005 11:39)
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Ãåðìàíèÿ (íåì. Deutschland), îôèöèàëüíîå íàçâàíèå — Ôåäåðàòèâíàÿ Ðåñïóáëèêà Ãåðìàíèÿ (íåì. Bundesrepublik Deutschland), ÔÐà (íåì. BRD) — ãîñóäàðñòâî â Öåíòðàëüíîé Åâðîïå.Ñòîëèöà — Áåðëèí. Ãîñóäàðñòâåííûé ÿçûê — íåìåöêèé. ÀÒÄ Ãåðìàíèè - Ãåðìàíèÿ — ãîñóäàðñòâî ñ ôåäåðàòèâíûì óñòðîéñòâîì; â ñîñòàâå 16 ðàâíîïðàâíûõ ñóáúåêòîâ — çåìåëü (Land) Çåìëè äåëÿòñÿ íà ðàéîíû (íåì. Kreis) è âíåðàéîííûå ãîðîäà (íåì. Kreisfreie Stadt), çåìëè Ãàìáóðã è Áåðëèí — íà ãîðîäñêèå îêðóãà (íåì. Bezirk), ðàéîíû äåëÿòñÿ íà ãîðîäà (íåì. Stadt) è îáùèíû (íåì. Gemeinde), âíåðàéîííûå ãîðîäà — íà ãîðîäñêèå ðàéîíû (íåì. Ortschaft), îêðóãà çåìåëü Ãàìáóðã è Áåðëèí íà êâàðòàëû (íåì. Ortsteil), ãîðîäà, îáùèíû, îêðóãà è êâàðòàëû äåëÿòñÿ íà æèëûå òåððèòîðèè (íåì. Wohngebiet). Áàâàðèÿ èìååò ïðîìåæóòî÷íîå çâåíî ìåæäó çåìë¸é è ðàéîíîì — àäìèíèñòðàòèâíûé îêðóã (íåì. Bezirk).
--- Ïàë³é, Øóì, Ãîðåíêî, Ìèõíî, Ñÿáåð, Öèêóí
Irina Ol Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:08 Bones íàïèñàë:
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Âàøà ïðàáàáóøêà, Êàðîëèíà Ãàáðèýëü (â äåâè÷åñòâå Deutschmann) ðîäèëàñü 30 ìàðòà 1900 ã. Ÿ ðîäèòåëåé çâàëè Jakob Deutschmann è Maria Deutschmann (äåâ.Kenner, 1868 ã.ð.).[/q]
Bones íàïèñàë:
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elena_krd íàïèñàë:[q]
À îòêóäà "äðîâèøêè"?[/q]
Èç ëåñó, âåñòèìî[/q]
Ãðóáîâàòî... Îáû÷íî ññûëêè äàþò.
--- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Èðèíà.
Bones Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:23 Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
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Ãðóáîâàòî...[/q]
Ãäå Âû óâèäåëè ãðóáîñòü â ìî¸ì îòâåòå?
Irina Ol Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5412
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Ðåéòèíã: 17177
Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:25 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:27 --- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Èðèíà.
elena_krd Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:33 Ïèøåòå:
Bones íàïèñàë:
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Ññûëêó â ñòóäèþ, ïîæàëóéñòà[/q]
Òàê îò÷åãî æ ñàìè òàê ñêðîìíè÷àåòå?
Bones íàïèñàë:
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Èç ëåñó, âåñòèìî [/q]
È ãäå æå ññûëî÷êà íà èñòî÷íèê?
Êàê ìèíèìóì îäíó íåòî÷íîñòü ó Âàñ âèæó.
Jakob Deutschmann, êîòîðîãî Âû îáîçíà÷èëè îòöîì Êàðîëèíû, äåéñòâèòåëüíî ðîäèëñÿ 20 îêòÿáðÿ 1865 ã. ó êîëîíèñòîâ Ìàðòèíà è Ôëîðåíòèíû (óð.Vogelsang), íî íè â êàêîì íå
Bones íàïèñàë:
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Âàðìèíüñêî-Ìàçóðñêîãî âîåâîäñòâà (êîòîðîå ðàñïîëîæåíî íà ñåâåðå Ïîëüøè), â ~10 êì îò ãðàíèöû ñ Êàëèíèíãðàäñêîé îáëàñòüþ. Äî 1945 ã. ýòîò íàñåëåííûé ïóíêò âõîäèë â ñîñòàâ Ãåðìàíèè (Âîñòî÷íîé Ïðóññèè).[/q]
à âîâñå ïîä Ìàðèóïîëåì.
Êîëîíèÿ òàêè äà - Wiekerau (íûíåøíÿÿ Êóçíåöîâêà). Ïðèõîä Ãðþíàó.
Çàïèñü î ðîæäåíèè Jakob Deutschmann, 20 îêòÿáðÿ 1865
ÐÃÈÀ, Ôîíä 828. Îï. 14. Ä. 143. 1865 ã. Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè.
---Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.).
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:36 Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
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Bones Ó Âàñ ñïðîñèëè èñòî÷íèê èíôîðìàöèè (èíòåðíåò-èñòî÷íèê) https://forum.vgd.ru/post/158/17050/p3178737.htm#pp3178737 Âû åãî íå äàëè, "îòøóòèâøèñü". ß è íàïèñàëà, ÷òî îáû÷íî ññûëêè äàþò íà èñòî÷íèê èíôîðìàöèè.[/q]
Âñ¸ õîðîøî, íå ïåðåæèâàéòå òàê, ÿ óæå "ðàñêðûëà" Åëåíå ñâîè èñòî÷íèêè èíôîðìàöèè (myheritage, Âèêèïåäèÿ). Èçâèíèòå, åñëè Âû ïðèíÿëè ìîþ øóòêó çà ãðóáîñòü
Bones Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:45 elena_krd íàïèñàë:
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Êàê ìèíèìóì îäíó íåòî÷íîñòü ó Âàñ âèæó.[/q]
Îøèáêà íå ìîÿ: êàê ÿ óæå íàïèñàëà, èíôîðìàöèÿ âçÿòà ìíîþ èç ðîäîñëîâíîãî äåðåâà íà myheritage. Èìåííî òî Wickerau, êîòîðîå óêàçàëà â ñîîáùåíèè ÿ, ñòîÿëî â ïðîôèëå Jakob Deutschmann, êîòîðîå, â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü, óêàçàë àäìèíèñòðàòîð ýòîãî ðîäîñëîâíîãî äðåâà (ò.å. òàì åñòü ññûëêà íà Google-êàðòó).
elena_krd íàïèñàë:
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Çàïèñü î ðîæäåíèè Jakob Deutschmann, 20 îêòÿáðÿ 1865 ÐÃÈÀ, Ôîíä 828. Îï. 14. Ä. 143. 1865 ã. Ðîæäåíèÿ, áðàêè, ñìåðòè.[/q]
Ìåòðèêó âèæó â ïåðâûé ðàç. Âàø èñòî÷íèê îêàçàëñÿ ïðàâäèâåå ìîåãî
elena_krd Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:45 Äûê, íàïèñàëè áû ñðàçó, îáùèìè áû óñèëèÿìè óæå âñå íåòî÷íîñòè âûïðàâèëè. Áûëî áû áûñòðåå è ïð.
Ê myheritage îòíîøóñü íå î÷åíü òåïëî. Îáúÿñíÿòü äîëãî. Íå çíàþ, ïðèãîäèòñÿ ëè èùóùåé. Íàøëîñü åùå âîò òàêîå:
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Martin Deutschmann (1800-1859) married Maria Neufeld (b. 1803). Martin was likely the son of Johann Deutschmann (1777-1836) and Catharina Fischer. This family was from Wickerau, near Mariupol, South Russia. Wickerau was a village in what was known as the Grunau Colonies or the “Planer Kolonien”. They were members of the Grunau Evangelical (Lutheran) Church. (This church was part of the St. Petersburg consistory, whose records (1833-1885) have been microfilm by the Family History Center.) Martin & Maria had the following children: Martin (1822-1898), m to Florentina Vogelsang, 7 children Johann (1823-1855), m to Regina Tuchel, 4 children Anna (1825-1886), m to August Heinrich Schneider, 13 children Jacob Martin (1827-1912), m to Regina Vietz, Elisabeth Vietz, Regina (Zoeller) Deutschmann, 14 children Catherina (1830-1906), m to Peter David Hochbaum, 8 children Peter (1832-1845) Georg (1833-1881), m to Regina Zoeller, 10 children Elisabeth (1836-1878), m to Heinrich Siemund, 8 children Erdmann (1838-1893), m to Anna Maria Hochbaum, 9 children Dietrich (1840- ?), m Dorothea Schmidt, 1 known child Helena (1842-1864), m to Andreas David Peters, 1 known child Gottlieb (1844- ?), m to Christina Litke, 1 known child Anna, Jacob, Catherina, Elisabeth & Erdmann came with their families to America in 1875. Georg immigrated with his family in 1878. All except for Jacob settled in southwest Minnesota. Jacob (my 2xGr-grandfather) lived first in Kansas, then Minnesota, finally in Whitman County, Washington, where he died. I assume the others lived all their lives in Russia.Óòÿíóòî ñ http://www.ancestry.com/boards...16/mb.ashx [/q]
---Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.).
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:51 elena_krd íàïèñàë:
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Äûê, íàïèñàëè áû ñðàçó, îáùèìè áû óñèëèÿìè óæå âñå íåòî÷íîñòè âûïðàâèëè. Áûëî áû áûñòðåå è ïð.[/q]
Ó÷òó íà áóäóùåå, ÷òî íèêàêèì çàïèñÿì èç ÷óæèõ ðîäîñëîâíûõ äåðåâüåâ íåëüçÿ äîâåðÿòü íà 100%, íå óâèäåâ "ìåòðè÷åñêèõ äîêàçàòåëüñòâ". Óæ èçâèíèòå ìåíÿ
Irina Ol Äîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà
Ñ-Ïåòåðáóðã
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 0:52 Bones íàïèñàë:
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Èçâèíèòå, åñëè Âû ïðèíÿëè ìîþ øóòêó çà ãðóáîñòü [/q]
Òî åñòü ñåé÷àñ âäðóã äàëè ññûëêó íà èñòî÷íèêè?
À ÷òî ìåøàëî ýòî ñäåëàòü ñðàçó? Î÷åíü ìèëî âûãëÿäåëî - íàêèäàòü êó÷ó èíôîðìàöèè áåç ññûëêè íà èñòî÷íèê.
Îòêàçàòüñÿ äàâàòü ññûëêó íà âîïðîñ Åëåíû ("èç ëåñó, âåñòèìî").
À òåïåðü, êîãäà êîñÿê îáíàðóæèëñÿ - óæå è ññûëêà åñòü))))))
Bones íàïèñàë:
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Îøèáêà íå ìîÿ: êàê ÿ óæå íàïèñàëà, èíôîðìàöèÿ âçÿòà ìíîþ èç ðîäîñëîâíîãî äåðåâà íà myheritage. Èìåííî òî Wickerau, êîòîðîå óêàçàëà â ñîîáùåíèè ÿ, ñòîÿëî â ïðîôèëå Jakob Deutschmann, êîòîðîå, â ñâîþ î÷åðåäü, óêàçàë àäìèíèñòðàòîð ýòîãî ðîäîñëîâíîãî äðåâà (ò.å. òàì åñòü ññûëêà íà Google-êàðòó).[/q]
--- Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Èðèíà.
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Ââåðõ # 7 ÿíâàðÿ 2020 1:01 Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
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Òî åñòü ñåé÷àñ âäðóã äàëè ññûëêó íà èñòî÷íèêè?[/q]
À ÷òî? Íå íàäî áûëî, äà? ß äóìàëà, ëó÷øå ïîçäíî...
Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
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Î÷åíü ìèëî âûãëÿäåëî - íàêèäàòü êó÷ó èíôîðìàöèè áåç ññûëêè íà èñòî÷íèê.[/q]
Òàê âñ¸-òàêè ìèëî, à íå ãðóáî?
Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
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Îòêàçàòüñÿ äàâàòü ññûëêó íà âîïðîñ Åëåíû ("èç ëåñó, âåñòèìî").[/q]
Òàêîé îòâåò ñàì íàïðàøèâàåòñÿ íà ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé âîïðîñ
Irina Ol íàïèñàë:
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À òåïåðü, êîãäà êîñÿê îáíàðóæèëñÿ[/q]
Çàìå÷ó åù¸ ðàç: íåòî÷íîñòü èíôîðìàöèè íå íà ìîåé ñîâåñòè
Ïîæàëóéñòà, ïî îòäåëüíûì íàñåëåííûì ìåñòàì è ñâîèì ëè÷íûì ïîèñêàì îòêðûâàéòå òåìû â ôàìèëüíûõ èëè äíåâíèêîâûõ ðàçäåëàõ. Ñïèñîê íàñåëåííûõ ìåñò ïî ñòðàíå îãðîìåí è æåëàþùèõ îòêðûòü èíäèâèäóàëüíûå òåìû ìíîãî. Äîïóñêàåòñÿ ðàçáèâêà ïî òåìàì íà çåìëè, ãîðîäà, ðàéîíû. Ïðîñüáà - ïðèäåðæèâàòüñÿ ýòîé ñõåìû.