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| AnnaVysotskaya Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 164 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 65 | Ââåðõ #10 ìàÿ 2020 21:18 10 ìàÿ 2020 21:28 Äîáðûé äåíü! Ïðîñüáà ïîñìîòðåòü íà ôîòî ïðà-ïðàäåäóøêè Âàðíàâèíà Èâàíà Ñòåïàíîâè÷à (ãëàâà ñåìüè, ñòîèò), ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî â âîåííîé ôîðìå.
Ëþáàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ, êîòîðóþ ìîæíî óçíàòü èç ôîòî, áóäó î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíà.
Ôîòî äî ðåâîëþöèè, ïðèìåðíî 1912-1915 ãîäû.
Ïðîæèâàëè äåðåâíÿ (ñåëî?) Íèêîëàåâêà, Àëàòûðñêîãî óåçäà, Ñèìáèðñêîé ãóá. (ñîâð. Ðîññèÿ, Ðåñïóáëèêà Ìîðäîâèÿ, Äóá¸íñêèé ðàéîí, ñåëî Íèêîëàåâêà), íî â 1920 ãîäó óæå æèëè â ãîðîäå Óññóðèéñêå Äàëüíåâîñòî÷íûé êðàé.
Àííà
 --- Âûñîöêèå Ñìåëà Êèåâñêàÿ ãóá., Ãðèãîðüåâû äóõîâåíñòâî Åíèñåéñêàÿ ãóá., Îðëîâû äóõîâåíñòâî Êðàñíîÿðñê, Äóáîâû (Äóáîâîâ) ñ. Êî÷êóøè Ñèìáèðñêàÿ ãóá.
+ Ïðÿ(å)æåííèêîâû êàçàêè Óññóðèéñêîå êàçà÷åñòâî + Âîëêîäàâ, Ãëóøàí ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóá. | | |
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ygvÄîëãîæèòåëü ôîðóìà  Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðã Ñîîáùåíèé: 13565 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2010 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 10970 | AnnaVysotskaya íàïèñàë: [q] [/q]
Íèæíèé ÷èí óíòåð îôèöåðñêîãî çâàíèÿ, ìë.óíòåð-îôèöåð. --- Âèëèíû,Êàðìàêîâû-Ïåòåðáóðã,ßðîñëàâñêàÿ ãóá.,Ìîñêâà
Áîæåíîâû,Àõìàòîâû-Òóëà,Ìîñêâà,Ïåòåðáóðã.
Ìàðêóñ,Ìàêîãîí-Äîíáàññ,Ìîëäàâèÿ | | |
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 164 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 65 | ygv íàïèñàë: [q] AnnaVysotskaya íàïèñàë:
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Íèæíèé ÷èí óíòåð îôèöåðñêîãî çâàíèÿ, ìë.óíòåð-îôèöåð.
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Ýòî ôîðìà âîåííîãî âðåìåíè? ÏÌÂ? èëè íåò? --- Âûñîöêèå Ñìåëà Êèåâñêàÿ ãóá., Ãðèãîðüåâû äóõîâåíñòâî Åíèñåéñêàÿ ãóá., Îðëîâû äóõîâåíñòâî Êðàñíîÿðñê, Äóáîâû (Äóáîâîâ) ñ. Êî÷êóøè Ñèìáèðñêàÿ ãóá.
+ Ïðÿ(å)æåííèêîâû êàçàêè Óññóðèéñêîå êàçà÷åñòâî + Âîëêîäàâ, Ãëóøàí ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóá. | | |
| AnnaVysotskaya Ïî÷åòíûé ó÷àñòíèê
Ñîîáùåíèé: 164 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2016 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 65 | Êîëëåãè, åùå îäíî ôîòî, ñîõðàíèâøååñÿ â ñåìåéíîì àëüáîìå. Èìåí óæå íèêòî íå çíàåò. Íî ëþäè âîåííûå, áóäó áëàãîäàðíà ëþáîé èíôîðìàöèè ïî ôîòî.
Àííà
 --- Âûñîöêèå Ñìåëà Êèåâñêàÿ ãóá., Ãðèãîðüåâû äóõîâåíñòâî Åíèñåéñêàÿ ãóá., Îðëîâû äóõîâåíñòâî Êðàñíîÿðñê, Äóáîâû (Äóáîâîâ) ñ. Êî÷êóøè Ñèìáèðñêàÿ ãóá.
+ Ïðÿ(å)æåííèêîâû êàçàêè Óññóðèéñêîå êàçà÷åñòâî + Âîëêîäàâ, Ãëóøàí ×åðíèãîâñêàÿ ãóá. | | |
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4551 | AnnaVysotskaya íàïèñàë: [q] Ïðîñüáà ïîñìîòðåòü íà ôîòî ïðà-ïðàäåäóøêè Âàðíàâèíà Èâàíà Ñòåïàíîâè÷à (ãëàâà ñåìüè, ñòîèò), ïðåäïîëîæèòåëüíî â âîåííîé ôîðìå.
Ëþáàÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ, êîòîðóþ ìîæíî óçíàòü èç ôîòî, áóäó î÷åíü áëàãîäàðíà.
Ôîòî äî ðåâîëþöèè, ïðèìåðíî 1912-1915 ãîäû. [/q]
Ïåðâàÿ ìèðîâàÿ. Íå ÿñíî ñêîëüêî íàøèâîê íà ïîãîíàõ. Íå ìåíüøå äâóõ. Ìèíèìóì ìëàäøèé óíòåð-îôèöåð èëè ðàâíûé åìó ïî çâàíèþ. Íà ïîãîíàõ åñòü øèôðîâêà? Âðîäå ÷òî-òî ïðîñìàòðèâàåòñÿ. Åñëè åñòü, òî íóæåí ñêàí ïîãîí ñ ðàçðåøåíèåì 1200, ÷òîáû ïîïûòàòüñÿ ðàçîáðàòü øèôðîâêó ÷àñòè. | | |
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4551 | AnnaVysotskaya íàïèñàë: [q] åùå îäíî ôîòî, ñîõðàíèâøååñÿ â ñåìåéíîì àëüáîìå. Èìåí óæå íèêòî íå çíàåò. Íî ëþäè âîåííûå, áóäó áëàãîäàðíà ëþáîé èíôîðìàöèè ïî ôîòî.[/q]
Êîëëàæ èç äâóõ ôîòîãðàôèé. Ñëåâà ãðàæäàíñêèé. Ñïðàâà íèæíèé ÷èí â ãèìíàñòåðêå ñ ñàìîïàëüíûì ëàöêàíîì è íåîáû÷íûìè ïîãîíàìè. Íóæíû ñêàíû ïîãîí ñ âûñîêèì ðàçðåøåíèåì, ÷òîáû ÷òî-òî ðàçîáðàòü, íî ñîìíåâàþñü, ÷òî óäàñòñÿ òàê êàê ýòî óæå ïåðåñüåìêà ñ îðèãèíàëà. Íà îáîðîòå åñòü êàêàÿ-ëèáî èíôîðìàöèÿ, èìåþùàÿ îòíîøåíèå ê ìåñòó ñëóæáû èëè ñúåìêè? | | |
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4551 | Èðèíàñ íàïèñàë: [q] Ïðîøó ïîìî÷ü îïðåäåëèòü óíèôîðìó ëþäåé íà ôîòîãðàôèè [/q]
Íèæíèå ÷èíû â äîâîåííûõ ìóíäèðàõ îáðàçöà 1907-ãî ãîäà, íî ïîäîçðåâàþ, ÷òî ýòî óæå ïåðèîä Ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé. Ïîõîæå, ÷òî ó ïðàâîãî øàðîâàðû çàùèòíîãî öâåòà, ÷òî â ìèðíîå âðåìÿ íå äîçâîëÿëîñü. Ó Âàñ åñòü âîçìîæíîñòü ñäåëàòü ñêàíû ïîãîí ñ ðàçðåøåíèåì 1200? Ó ïðàâîãî ïðîñìàòðèâàåòñÿ øèôðîâêà ÷àñòè. | | |
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8586 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4551 | batchel íàïèñàë: [q] I am looking for information about my grandfather.
My Greek grandfather, Vasilios “Vasile” Tzouris (also spelled Giuris), was born in Vasiliko, Bulgaria (present day Tsarevo, Bulgaria) on January 1, 1880. In the early 1900’s he moved to Odessa where he worked as a Baker. I believe he made and sold Baklava. During the time he lived in Odessa, he served in the White Army of Tzar Nicholas II. I believe he was a Cossack and I would like to find records of his service if they exist. Are there existing military records for the soldiers that served in the White Army?
I have attached a photo of my grandfather that was taken in Odessa on January 1, 1919. This would have been my grandfather’s birth day and name day. He is standing in the middle of 2 people sitting on each side of him that are wearing military uniforms. I would like to know if anyone can give me information about the uniforms that these soldiers are wearing (military units, departments, and rank etc…).[/q]
As my colleagues already mentioned there is no insignia on this photo. The person who stands behind is wearing a civilian coat. Two others are wearing so called “ French” jackets that became very popular in Russia at the end of WW1. These jackets resembled British style military uniform and sometimes were worn as such. But to be called “uniform” it requires some form of insignia to indicate what side the person belongs to and the rank. During the Russian Civil war it was also common for all sides to wear random regular civilian cloth without any distinguishing signs. In such cases it’s impossible to figure out who are on the photo. | | |
G-IsÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ëèïåöê Ñîîáùåíèé: 7653 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 9012 | ariadna2017 ïèñàëà: [q] Ïðîøó ïîìî÷ü îïðåäåëèòü óíèôîðìó è ÷èí ìîåãî ïðàäåäà [/q]
Íà ïåðâîì ñíèìêå âèäíû êàâàëåðèéñêèå ñàïîãè è ãàëèôå, ñòåê òîæå ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ýòîãî ðîäà âîéñê. Íóæåí áîëåå êà÷åñòâåííûé ñêàí (1200 òî÷åê íà äþéì) äëÿ îïðåäåëåíèÿ çíàêà íà ãîëîâíîì óáîðå. Íà ñëåäóþùåé ôîòîãðàôèè øèíåëü ÐÊÊÀ êàâàëåðèéñêîãî îáðàçöà, ñíèìîê 1924-1934 ãã. ×åòûðå êâàäðàòà â ïåòëèöàõ îçíà÷àëè äîëæíîñòíóþ êàòåãîðèþ Ê-6 (ïîìîùíèê êîìàíäèðà áàòàëüîíà , êîìàíäèð îòäåëüíîé ðîòû èëè èì ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèé). Ó êàâàëåðèñòîâ ÐÊÊÀ áûëè ñèíèå ïåòëèöû ñ ÷¸ðíûì êàíòîì, ïî ïîñëåäíåìó ñíèìêó ýòîãî íå ñêàæåøü, âåñüìà âåðîÿòíû çäåñü êðàïîâûå ïåòëèöû ñ ìàëèíîâûì êàíòîì - âîéñêà (èëè ïðî÷èå ñòðóêòóðû) ÎÃÏÓ/ÍÊÂÄ . --- "Ïóñòü ýòîò ìèð âäàëü ëåòèò ñêâîçü ñòîëåòèÿ, íî íå âñåãäà ïî äîðîãå ìíå ñ íèì..." | | |
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