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Ïîìîãèòå ïîæàëóéñòà îïðåäåëèòü ïðèíàäëåæíîñòü ê ïîëêó
VCÌîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà  Ñîîáùåíèé: 8582 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 4542 | Íàâåðõ ##
5 äåêàáðÿ 2016 21:32 Shukhlyada íàïèñàë: [q] Cherkasy [/q]
In my opinion this group served in the office of the county military chief. If I am not mistaken all local military offices had the same shoulder boards markings based on the name of local brigade they reported to. In this case “K” – Kiev local brigade. This particular font was in use until 1911. Considering that the local troops badge was introduced in 1911 the photo was probably taken in the same year. To make sure check the Kiev governorship’s registry for the same period. It’s possible there were other military offices or units located in Cherkasy that reported directly to the military district headquarter. Ïåðåâîä. Íà ìîé âçãëÿä ýòà ãðóïïà ñëóæèò â óïðàâëåíèè óåçäíîãî âîèíñêîãî íà÷àëüíèêà. Åñëè íå îøèáàþñü, òî ó âñåõ ìåñòíûõ óåçäíûõ óïðàâëåíèé áûëà îäèíàêîâàÿ øèôðîâêà ïî íàçâàíèþ ìåñòíîé áðèãàäû.  äàííîì ñëó÷àå "Ê" - Êèåâñêàÿ ìåñòíàÿ áðèãàäà. Ëèòåðà íàïèñàíà ñòàðûì øðèôòîì, êîòîðûé èñïîëüçîâàëñÿ äî 1911-ãî ãîäà. Ñ ó÷åòîì òîãî, ÷òî çíàê ìåñòíûõ âîéñê áûë ó÷ðåæäåí â 1911-ì, òî ñíèìîê, âåðîÿòíî ñäåëàí â òîì æå ãîäó. Äëÿ ïðîâåðêè ïîñìîòðèòå ïàìÿòíóþ êíèæêó Êèåâñêîé ãóáåðíèè íà óêàçàííûé ïåðèîä. Âîçìîæíî â ×åðêàññàõ íàõîäèëèñü åù¸ êàêèå-ëèáî óïðàâëåíèÿ îêðóæíîãî ïîä÷èíåíèÿ. Shukhlyada íàïèñàë: [q] This Russian ? [/q]
No idea what you mean. | | |
voinych Ñâåðäëîâñêàÿ îáëàñòü, ã. Áåð¸çîâñêèé Ñîîáùåíèé: 657 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2015 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 527 | Íàâåðõ ##
6 äåêàáðÿ 2016 8:28 OlkaD íàïèñàë: [q] ßçûêîâ Èâàí Ïåòðîâè÷ (1918-ìàðò 1943) (ñëåâà), ïðèçâàí â àðìèþ â 1939 ãîäó,[/q]
Ôóðàæêè è ãèìíàñòåðêè îáðàçöà 1935 ã. (Ïðèêàç ÍÊÎ ÑÑÑÐ ¹176 îò 03.12.1935 ã.) Îòñóòñòâèå ýìáëåì íà ïåòëèöàõ ñ ñóêîííûì öâåòíûì êàíòîì áåç çíàêîâ ðàçëè÷èÿ ñâèäåòåëüñòâóåò â ïîëüçó òîãî, ÷òî íà ôîòî çàïå÷àòëåíû ëèöà ðÿäîâîãî ñîñòàâà ñòðåëêîâûõ (ïåõîòíûõ) èëè êàâàëåðèéñêèõ ÷àñòåé â ïåðèîä 1936 — èþëü 1940 ãã. ---
Áåëüêîâû-Ïîñïåëîâû-Æèäåëåâû-Ëîáàíîâû (Íîâîïåòðîïàâëîâñêîå, Äàëìàòîâñêèé ðàéîí), Âîéíîâû (Íèæåãîðîäñêàÿ îáëàñòü) | | |
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6 äåêàáðÿ 2016 9:24 voinych íàïèñàë: [q] ïåðèîä 1936 — èþëü 1940 ãã.[/q]
Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò! ---
ĸìêèíû, Êèðååâû, Èëüèíû, ßçûêîâû, Âûäðèíû, Áåðåçîâèêîâû, Ìàñè÷, Áàðàáàíîâ, Âÿçíèêîâ, Ïðèãîðîäñêèõ, Êàðíàóõîâ | | |
ShukhlyadaÍà÷èíàþùèé  Minga Ñîîáùåíèé: 27 Íà ñàéòå ñ 2014 ã. Ðåéòèíã: 14 | Íàâåðõ ##
6 äåêàáðÿ 2016 10:32 Òàê. Âñå â³ðíî. ß íå çíàâ ðîêó ñâ³òëèíè. Äÿêóþ. Îñü ì³é ä³äóñü.
Äåðæàâíèé àðõ³â ×åðêàñüêî¿ îáëàñò³: Ô. 868. Óïðàâë³ííÿ ×åðêàñüêîãî ïîâ³òîâîãî â³éñüêîâîãî íà÷àëüíèêà, ì. ×åðêàñè Êè¿âñüêî¿ ãóáåðí³¿ Ñïðàâ: 13; 1916–1917 ðð. Îïèñ 1 Ñïðàâ: 13; 1916–1917 ðð. Íàêàçè ïî óïðàâë³ííþ (1916–1917). Ñïðàâà çà çâèíóâà÷åííÿì ðÿäîâîãî 148-ãî ï³õîòíîãî ïîëêó (1916).
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8 äåêàáðÿ 2016 16:44 Íàäïèñü íà îáðàòíîé ñòîðîíå. Êðîìå èìÿ Ïðîõîð ïîíÿòü íè÷åãî íå óäàëîñü
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Íîâèêîâ (äîáðÿíêà,ïåðìñêèé êðàé); Ïó÷êîâ, Ñèíèöà, Ìèõååíêîâ (Ðóäíÿíñêèé ð-í, Ñìîëåíñêîé îáë); Êóðî÷êèí, Ìåäâåäåâ (Ìîæàéñêèé ð-í, Ìîñêîâñêîé îáë) | | |
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8 äåêàáðÿ 2016 18:07 igorniv1977 Ìíîãî íå ñêàæåøü , èáî ìàëî èíôîðìàòèâíàÿ ïîõîäíàÿ ôîðìà , êðîìå òîãî ñèòóàöèþ óñóãóáëÿåò ìàëûé ôîðìàò ñêàíà...  ïîõîäíîé ôîðìå ñàìûé âàæíûé èñòî÷íèê øèôðîâêà ïîãîíà è äåòàëè, áëÿõà ïîÿñà íàïðèìåð è ò.ä. Ïåøèå ÷àñòè: øèíåëü ïåõîòíàÿ îáð. 1911 ã. Âèäèì, áëÿõà ïîÿñà îïèðàåòñÿ íà ïóãîâèöó, åñëè ïðèãëÿäåòüñÿ âèäíû ñëåäû îñòàëüíûõ... Èõ óáðàëè ïî ïð.ââ. ¹ 535 îò 21 àâãóñòà 1914 ã. Ýòî, äà åùå íåáðåæíîñòü â ïðèãîíêå îáìóíäèðîâàíèÿ, ïîçâîëÿåò îòíåñòè ýòî ôîòî ê ïåðèîäó Ïåðâîé Ìèðîâîé. Ðóáàõà-êîñîâîðîòêà îáð. 1912 ã. Ôóðàæêè äëÿ âñåõ ðîäîâ âîéñê îáð. 1914 ã. Íàñ÷åò íàäïèñè --  , íî "Ïðîõîð" áåç "ú"  Îñòàåòñÿ ïîñåòîâàòü, ÷òî òîìèòñÿ â óçèëèùå Ñòàíèñëàâ... Åñëè íå èçìåíÿåò ïàìÿòü, îí ïî àâòîãðàôó ñîñòàâëÿë ïñèõîëîãè÷åñêèé ïîðòðåò ÷åëîâåêà. Óâû, òàêèì äàðîì íå îáëàäàþ. Âîò âðîäå âñå, ïîêà... ---
"Êòî íå çíàåò èñòèíû î ñâîåì ïðîøëîì, òîò íåäîñòîèí áóäóùåãî." Èñòîðèÿ -- çàíÿòèå óâëåêàòåëüíîå, íî èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îòâåòñòâåííîå. Èñòîðèê äîëæåí áûòü ìàòåðèàëüíî íåçàâèñèìûì èëè ôàíàòèêîì, êîòîðûé ïðåäïî÷èòàåò æèòü â íèùåòå, íî ïèñàòü òî, ÷òî îí äåéñòâèòåëüíî äóìàåò. | | |
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8 äåêàáðÿ 2016 22:42 Êàðãîïîëüñêèé Äðàãóí Ñïàñèáî, ê ñîæàëåíèþ ýòî åäèíñòâåííàÿ ïîêà îáíàðóæåííàÿ ìíîé ôîòî ïðàäåäà ïåðèîäà ïåðâîé ìèðîâîé. Ãîâîðÿò áûëà åù¸ ñ äâóìÿ êðåñòàìè, íî â êàâàëåðàõ ÿ åãî íå íàø¸ë. Ïîäñêàæèòå, à íå çíàÿ ïîëêà, à òîëüêî ôàìèëèþ, èìÿ, îò÷åñòâî, ïðèìåðíûé ãîä è ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ åñòü ñìûñë åõàòü â ÐÃÈÂÀ? Äàííûå ïðàäåäà Ïó÷êîâ Ïðîõîð Íèêîëàåâè÷ 1883(5) ãîäà ðîæäåíèÿ, ä.Áîðîäèíî, Îðøàíñêîãî óåçäà, ìîãèë¸âñêîé ãóáåðíèè ( íûíå Ðóäíÿíñêèé ð-í, Ñìîëåíñêîé îáë.)
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9 äåêàáðÿ 2016 0:04 9 äåêàáðÿ 2016 0:08 Äîáðûé äåíü!
Ó íàñ íàøëàñü ôîòîãðàôèÿ ìîåãî ïðà-ïðàäåäà (Âàñèëèÿ Õîðîøèëîâà), êîòîðûé, íà ñêîëüêî íàì èçâåñòíî, ïðîæèâàë â Âîðîíåæå èëè Âîðîíåæñêîé îáëàñòè. Íà ôîòî îí â ôîðìå... Âîçìîæíî, âû ñìîæåòå ïîìî÷ü îïðåäåëèòü ïî ôîðìå, êîãäà ìîãëà áûòü ñäåëàíà ýòà ôîòîãðàôèÿ è ãäå ñëóæèë ìîé ïðà-ïðàäåä.
Ñïàñèáî!!!
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Èùó ñâåäåíèÿ î ÕÎÐÎØÈËÎÂÛÕ (Âîðîíåæ, Ìîñêâà), ËÅÍÊÎÂÛÕ (Ñìîëåíñê, Ìîñêâà), ÔÈËÜÄØÒÅÉÍ/ÔÅËÜÄØÒÅÉÍ (×åðêàññû, Îäåññà, Ìîñêâà), ØÅËÅÏÅÍÜÊÈÍÛÕ (Âîðêóòà, Êóðãàí), ÌÎÐÎÇÎÂÛÕ (Ïîäìîñêîâüå, ñ.Áåñåäû), ÒÈÕÎÍÎÂÛÕ (Ïîäìîñêîâüå, äåðåâíÿ Îïàðèíêè) | | |
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9 äåêàáðÿ 2016 1:34 alenakhoroshilova Íèæíèé ÷èí ðÿäîâîãî çâàíèÿ ïåðèîäà Ïåðâîé Ìèðîâîé , íàõîäÿùèéñÿ â çàïàñíîé ÷àñòè. Ñðàçó îáðàùàåì âíèìàíèå íà ïîÿñ -- "êàâàëåðèéñêîãî" îáðàçöà , ââåäåííîì â ïåøèõ ÷àñòÿõ ïð.ââ. ¹ 535 îò 21 àâãóñòà 1914 ã. è íîøåíèå øàðîâàð çàùèòíîãî öâåòà ñ òåìíî-çåëåíûì ìóíäèðîì îáð. 1907 ã. Ìóíäèð íîñèëè â ïåðèîä 1909-1913 ãã., îòìåíèëè ïð.ââ. ¹ 106 îò 16 ìàðòà 1913 ã., à âî âðåìÿ âîéíû èñïîëüçîâàëè äëÿ îáìóíäèðîâàíèÿ çàïàñíûõ ÷àñòåé è îïîë÷åíèÿ. Íà ïîãîíàõ èìååòñÿ ØÈÔÐÎÂÊÀ - öèôðû ¹ ÷àñòè... Íî ëó÷øå îíè áû ñìîòðåëèñü íà ÂÛÊÀÄÐÎÂÊÅ èëè ðàçãëÿäåòü íà ÎÐÈÃÈÍÀËÅ... ãàäàòü íå õî÷åòñÿ. Âîðîòíèê ìóíäèðíîãî ñóêíà, à âîò ïîãîíû ïðè ñêàíèðîâàíèè ïîëó÷èëèñü ðàçíîöâåòíûå   ðåàëå òàêîãî áûòü íå äÎëæíî, âîò òàê ïðè àòðèáóöèè , ìû ñòàíîâèìñÿ çàëîæíèêàìè êà÷åñòâà ôîòî... Òàê, ÷òî îïðåäåëÿòü öâåò âîçäåðæóñü. ---
"Êòî íå çíàåò èñòèíû î ñâîåì ïðîøëîì, òîò íåäîñòîèí áóäóùåãî." Èñòîðèÿ -- çàíÿòèå óâëåêàòåëüíîå, íî èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî îòâåòñòâåííîå. Èñòîðèê äîëæåí áûòü ìàòåðèàëüíî íåçàâèñèìûì èëè ôàíàòèêîì, êîòîðûé ïðåäïî÷èòàåò æèòü â íèùåòå, íî ïèñàòü òî, ÷òî îí äåéñòâèòåëüíî äóìàåò. | | |
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... Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, äàæå çíàÿ ÷àñòü , øàíñû íàéòè íèæíåãî ÷èíà = 0. Îôèöåðîâ, íà êîòîðûõ çàâîäèëèñü ïîñëóæíûå ñïèñêè, è òî íå âñåãäà íàõîäÿò. Òàê, ÷òî áóäåò "÷åðíàÿ äûðà" áþäæåòà.
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