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Ñîîáùåíèé: 4322
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1975
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 8:00 26 àïðåëÿ 2025 9:20 ferokollar íàïèñàë: [q] ÷òî â 1958 ãîäó â ýòîì ìåñòå íå áûëî íèêàêèõ çäàíèé. [/q]
äà, íà ñîâðåìåííîé óëèöå Ãàëñòÿíà â 1958 ãîäó íå áûëî äîìîâ. Ïðîàíàëèçèðîâàë êàðòû, âûõîäèò, ÷òî óëèöà Ãàëñòÿíà äî 1970-ûõ è ïîñëå 1940-ûõ - ýòî ñîâðåìåííûé Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò (òî÷íåå, åãî ÷àñòü, îò óëèöû Êóáèíñêàÿ äî Ìîñêîâñêîãî ïðîñïåêòà). Íóìåðàöèÿ, ñêîðåå âñåãî, íà÷èíàëàñü ñî ñòîðîíû Ìîñêîâñêîãî ïðîñïåêòà.  1940-ûõ è äî 1954 â òîì ÷àñòè áûëè äîìà, êîòîðûå ñíåñëè.  1954 ãîäó ïîñòðîåí äîì 161 êîðïóñ 2  1957 çäàíèÿ: 178 (íîìåð 2 ñòàðîé óëèöû Ãàëñòÿí), 161 (äîì íîìåð 1 ñòàðîé óëèöû Ãàëñòÿíà), 161 êîðïóñ 4. Äóìàþ, ÷òî äîì 2 ñòàðîé óëèöû Ãàëñòÿíà - ýòî äîì íîìåð 178 ñîâðåìåííîé óëèöû Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò.  äîìå 7 ýòàæåé, 134 êâàðòèðû. Êèðïè÷íûé äîì ñ îáëèöîâêîé, ñòåïåíü èçíîñà êèðïè÷íîé êëàäêè 37%. Âèðòóàëüíîå ïóòåøåñòâèå ïî óëèöàì, âèä íà äîì, 2011-2021âèä âî äâîðå, 2016-2018Yandex - streetÎ ìåñòîïîëîæåíèè óëèöû êîñâåííî ïîäñêàçàëà ãàçåòà 1966 ãîäà. È êàðòû 1960-ûõ. Âûõîäèò, ÷òî äî 1957 ãîäà îíè æèëè â äðóãîì ìåñòå. --- Ïîèñê, 1958: Ïåòóõîâ Ñåðãåé À. . Æåíà Ïåòóõîâà Àëåêñàíäðà. Äåòè: Ïåòóõîâ Ìèõàèë Ñåðãååâè÷, Ïåòóõîâà Àíòîíèíà Ñåðãååâíà, Ïåòóõîâà Íèíà Ñåðãååâíà, Ïåòóõîâ Âàäèì Ñåðãååâè÷, Ïåòóõîâà Íàäåæäà Ñåðãååâíà, Ïåòóõîâà Èðèíà Ñåðãååâíà.
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| psyandr
Ñîîáùåíèé: 4322
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1975
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 8:26 26 àïðåëÿ 2025 8:27 Íåìíîãî ôîòîãðàôèé ~1960-1985. Ëåíèíãðàä, Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò, 178 (óëèöà Ãàëñòÿíà, 2). Íà ôîòî èç îêíà âèäåí çàâîä, ãàðàæè. Íà òðåòüåì ñíèìêå äîì â öåíòðå.
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 8:28 psyandr Thanks for this closer analysis. If I have understood you correctly, does this mean that the street address written in 1958 or 1959 corresponds to a current day street and location which is now known as Leninskiy Ave? If so, that's very helpful to know. Do you have access to an 1959 map that labels this street as Galstyan Street? Many thanks Fero >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ psyandr îò 26 àïðåëÿ 2025 8:00 | | |
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 8:36 Did I read your message correctly? See the image below psyandr íàïèñàë: [q] Some photos ~1960-1985. Leningrad, Leninsky Prospekt, 178 (Galstyana Street, 2). In the photo, the factory and garages are visible from the window. The third photo shows the house in the center.[/q]
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 4322
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2013 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1975
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 9:06 26 àïðåëÿ 2025 9:22 Äà, Ãàëñòÿíà, 2 = Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò, 178. Íóìåðàöèÿ îò Ìîñêîâñêîé ïëîùàäè (âèäíà íà ôîòî 3). Ïî òðàäèöèè, ñëåâà - íå÷åòíûå äîìà, ñïðàâà - ÷åòíûå. Çíà÷èò íîìåð 1 - ñëåâà (161), à ñïðàâà 178.
Ñôîðìèðîâàëñÿ äëèííûé ïðîñïåêò - è äàëè äðóãîå íàçâàíèå, áîëåå ïîäõîäÿùåå. Galstyan - àðìÿíñêàÿ ôàìèëèÿ, óëèöà â ÷åñòü ãåðîÿ âîéíû ñ òàêîé ôàìèëèåé. À ÷òîáû êîìó-òî íå áûëî îáèäíî, íàçâàíèå "Ãàëñòÿíà" äàëè äðóãîé óëèöå, þæíåå, êîòîðàÿ ïîçæå íà÷àëà ñòðîèòüñÿ.
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 9:20 >> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ Alena_Sch îò 25 àïðåëÿ 2025 15:18 psyandr provided some additional images and explanation confirming your understanding which indicated some surviving buildings that may or may not be "building 2" on the formerly named Galstyan Street (Now Leninsky Prospekt). Of course, I am attempting to confirm that my relative lived at this address and take steps to obtain more detailed records if possible. In a previous message you mentioned house books but indicated that a house book for Building 2 may no longer exist. Can an application to request a certificate for the former occupants for those that live at this address be made online? Many thanks Fero | | |
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 9:42 Excellent. I would love to see a 1958 map with the name 'Galstyan Street' written on it. If possible. Is it possible to confirm the building on the northern side was known as 'Building 2'? Perhaps a city plan from the late 1950s or mid 1960s with a label? This is a good lead. Many thanks. psyandr íàïèñàë: [q] Yes, Galstyan, 2 = Leninsky Prospekt, 178. Numbering from Moskovskaya Square (visible in photo 3). Odd houses on the left, even houses on the right. So number 1 is on the left (161), and on the right 178.
A long avenue was formed - and they gave it another name, more suitable. Galstyan is an Armenian surname, the street is in honor of a war hero with this surname. And so that no one would be offended, the name "Galstyan" was given to another street, to the south, which later began to be built.[/q]
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Ñîîáùåíèé: 4322
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 9:44 26 àïðåëÿ 2025 12:09 Ýòî ÎÄÈÍ è òîò æå äîì è àäðåñ 100%. Íà êàðòå âèäíî, ÷òî íà îäíîé ëèíèè óëèöà Ãàëñòÿíà (ñòàðîå ìåñòîïîëîæåíèå) è ïðîñïåêò Ãåðîåâ (Ãàñòÿí - îäèí èç Ãåðîåâ âîéíû 1941-1945). Ïîçæå ïåðåèìåíîâàëè â õîäå ñëèÿíèÿ. Ñåé÷àñ ïîãóãëèë è... Âîò íàø¸ëñÿ òåêñò î ïåðåèìåíîâàíèè. dzen.ru/a/Zh1Llfol8DciqARy. "18 àïðåëÿ 1977 ãîäà, Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò ïîëó÷èë ñâîå íàçâàíèå, îáúåäèíèâ óëèöó Ãàëñòÿíà è áûâøèé ïðîñïåêò Ãåðîåâ...
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Äîáðûé äåíü ferokollarÑñûëêó ïîêà íå íàøëà. Ïðèâåäó äëÿ ïðèìåðà ðåêâèçèòû íàéäåííûõ íà ïîðòàëå àðõèâà äîìîâûõ êíèã. "ÖÃÀ ÑÏá. Ôîíä Ð-7965. Îïèñü 96. Äåëî 52 1955–[1975] Äîìîâàÿ êíèãà ïðîïèñêè ãðàæäàí ïî àäðåñó: ïð. Ëåíèíñêèé, ä. 178 (áûâø. óë. Ãàëñòÿíà, ä. 60; áûâø. óë. Ãàëñòÿíà, ä. 7) Àäðåñ: Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò, äîì 178 ÖÃÀ ÑÏá. Ôîíä Ð-7965. Îïèñü 96. Äåëî 54 [1957]–[1975] Äîìîâàÿ êíèãà ïðîïèñêè ãðàæäàí ïî àäðåñó: ïð. Ëåíèíñêèé, ä. 178 ( áûâø. óë. Ãàëñòÿíà, ä. 60; áûâø. óë. Ãàëñòÿíà, ä. 7)Àäðåñ: Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò, äîì 178" Íî çäåñü àäðåñó Ëåíèíñêèé ïð. 178 (ñ 1977ã) ñîîòâåòñòâóåò äîì ¹7 ïî áûâøåé óë. Ãàëñòÿíà. Íàäî îïðåäåëèòü èçìåíåíèÿ â íóìåðàöèè äîìîâ: ïîõîæå, ÷òî àäðåñ ìåíÿëñÿ íå îäèí ðàç. Êàê ÿ ïèñàëà âûøå, äîì ¹2 â äîìîâûõ êíèãàõ íå âèäåëà. | | Ëàéê (1) |
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26 àïðåëÿ 2025 10:24 27 àïðåëÿ 2025 7:51 Íà wikimapia.org åñòü èíôîðìàöèÿ, ÷òî Ëåíèíñêèé ïðîñïåêò äîì 178 - ýòî óëèöà Ãàëñòÿíà äîì 60 äî 1977 ãîäà. Òàì æå åñòü ôîòî ñòåíû ýòîãî äîìà ñ ÷èñëîì "60". Íà citywalls.ru åñòü êîñâåííîå ïîäòâåðæäåíèå ýòîìó: [q]  1976 ãîäó Äåòñêèé ñàä Ìîñêîâñêîãî ð-íà íà óë., Ãàëñòÿíà, 60. Íà óë. Ãàëñòÿíà 12 äîìîâ, ãäå äîì 60 – íåèçâåñòíî. Íî â 1978 ãîäó Äåòñêèé ñàä Ìîñêîâñêîãî ð-íà ¹ 67 íà Ëåíèíñêîì ïð., 178.[/q]
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