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| [q] (. Suomi, . Finland, (.); ́ ́, . Suomen tasavalta, . Republiken Finland[5]) . , . . .
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>>>> (. maakunnat/. landskap), (. kaupunki/. stad) (. kunta/. kommun).
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| Orvokki
: 31
2017 .
: 24
| I wrote to two persons there. One of them answered. I don't translate it with google translator, because names can go wrong. I translated only few words that You can understand. Do you think this is the right Arvi?
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s = synt. = syntynyt = born =
k = kuol. = kuollut = dead =
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Painilainen Jaakko (s. 30.06.1833 Kivennapa Kekrola, k. 08.01.1892 Kekrola)
: Suutari Helena (s. 29.01.1846 Kivennapa Suurselkä, k. ?)
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Painilainen Saara, synt. 17.10.1866, kuol. 05.05.1889
Painilainen Maria, synt. 23.10.1870, kuol. 11.08.1875
Painilainen Hedvig, synt. 23.01.1873, kuol. 06.08.1875
Painilainen Juho, synt. 30.04.1875, kuol. 11.04.1879
Painilainen Maria, synt. 17.03.1877, kuol. 19.07.1877
Painilainen Paavo, synt. 02.06.1878, kuol. 07.09.1941
Painilainen Anna, synt. 06.09.1881, kuol. 01.01.1882
Painilainen Juho, synt. 24.12.1882, kuol. 30.08.1923
Painilainen Sakari, synt. 20.03.1886
Painilainen Paavo (s. 02.06.1878 Kivennapa Kekrola, k. 07.09.1941 place unknown)
: Nuutinen Helena (s. 10.03.1883 Kivennapa Kekrola, k. ?)
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Painilainen Antti, synt. 21.01.1908
Painilainen Aina, synt. 01.09.1910
Painilainen Juho, synt. 02.08.1914
Painilainen Arvi, synt. 05.01.1920
Last name Nuutinen has been written before also Knutinen or Knuutinen.
Paavo Painilainen migrated from Kekrola to Hartonen.
Nuutinen Knutinen Knuutinen.
Paavo Painilainen Kekrola Hartonen.
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| Orvokki
: 31
2017 .
: 24
| This person, who replied to me, is the author of the book. He is not a relative of Arvi. He is a researcher and writer. I already asked him if he know living relatives of Arvi. He did not know. I'm trying to write to other people there. , , . . . , . . . ---
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| Orvokki
: 31
2017 .
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29 2017 23:19 29 2017 23:27 Not Timo Laakso.  Do not be afraid. I read your previous message that Timo did not find anything. His name is Kalevi Hyytiä. He is not, at least not yet requested any money. I'll try first to help you, if I can find someone. I do not want any money. I'll help if I can. But if I do not find anyone, then the only option is to ask church official certificate. It will cost something, but I can not say how much because every church is different. One church can say 30 euros and you get a certificate in a few days, another church can say 100 euros and have to wait half a year, the third church can say that it does not give a certificate at all.  But I want to believe that I will find someone. . . , . ( Kalevi Hyytiä ). , , . , -. . , . , - . -, , , . 30 , , 100 , , . , -. ---
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| Orvokki
: 31
2017 .
: 24
| msv120471 and alyra I am sorry but I don't understand what is wrong. Google translator don't translate.  If I have said something wrong, it can be the translator. I don't want to insult anybody. Msv120471 alyra , , . Google . - , . . ---
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