Lipovich Brothers
Searching for Ivan, Stephan and Vladimir
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8 èþíÿ 2012 9:36 8 èþíÿ 2012 9:46 êâàäðàòû ("êóáèêè". "êóáàðè") ñðåäíèé êîìàíäíûé è íà÷àëüñòâóþùèé ñîñòàâ (ìëàäøèå îôèöåðû), 4 êóáèêà - ïîìîùíèê êîìàíäèðà áàòàëüîíà, ýõ, êàáû åùå öâåò ïåòëèö áûë -  ìîæíî áûëî-áû ðîä âîéñê ñêàçàòü - óíèôîðìà | | |
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8 èþíÿ 2012 9:42 8 èþíÿ 2012 20:00
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Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.). | | |
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8 èþíÿ 2012 9:43 8 èþíÿ 2012 9:53
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Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.). | | |
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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8 èþíÿ 2012 14:13 8 èþíÿ 2012 15:02 Íà îáîðîòå ôîòî ÿ âèæó / on the picture:
Äîðîãîìó / To dear
áðàòó Êîëå åãî / brother Kolya
æåíå è ñûíó / wife and son
Ðåéìîíäó / Reymond
îò Âàíè, Ñòåïû è Âîëîäè / from Vanya, Stepa and Volodya
íà äîëãóþ ïàìÿòü / for the long memory (to be remembered)
Âàíÿ / Vanya
Ñêîðî â Ìîñêâå / soon in Moscow
25 èþëÿ 1930 ã.
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Ò.å. â 1930 ã. Âëàäèìèð Èâàí áûë ïîìîùíèêîì êîìàíäèðà áàòàëüîíà, à â ïåðèîä ÂΠ- ìàéîðîì, íàãðàæäåí îðäåíàìè Îòå÷åñòâåííîé Âîéíû I ñòåïåíè è Êðàñíîãî Çíàìåíè. Çíà÷èò, â âîéíó íå ïîãèá?
Êàê èñêàòü æèâûõ âîåííûõ?
According to the uniform on the picture Vladimir Ivan was an infanterie battalion commander assistant, and as later posts show, during the WWII he was ìàéîð (seargent major?) and awarded with Orders of the Patriotic War and of the Red Banner. It could mean that he didn't fall in the war. In the award documents there is also his date of birth: 1907 ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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8 èþíÿ 2012 14:23 8 èþíÿ 2012 14:28 Ïåðåâîä ïîñòîâ grodnoguy2:
Áåëîðóññêèå àðõèâû ïðèñëàëè èñòîðèþ Äîêó÷èöåâ äî 1700 ã. Áåç çíàíèÿ ìåñòà ðîæäåíèÿ Åëåíû íàéòè íóæíóþ ëèíèþ - èãðà â ðóëåòêó. Þëèÿ ðîäèëàñü 13.11.1906, Åëåíà 12.04.1888, ïðèáûëà â Íüþ-Éîðê 03.06.1912, îòïëûëà èç Ëèáàó Ëàòâèÿ 12.05.1912. Ó íåå áûëà åùå äî÷ü Îëüãà, ðîä. 28.11.1911.  êà÷åñòâå âîçìîæíîãî ìåñòà ðîæäåíèÿ íàçûâàåòñÿ åùå Êóðîâùèíà, ïðèáë. 160 êì îò Ìàëå÷à.
Ó ìåíÿ åñòü åùå òðîþðîäíûé áðàò â Ìàëå÷å, êîòîðûé õîðîøî çíàåò èñòîðèþ Äîêó÷èöåâ, íî íå ìîæåò ïîìî÷ ñ Ëèïîâè÷àìè.
ß áû ñêàçàëà, ÷òî íàäî ïîïðîñèòü áåëîðóññêîãî òðîþðîäíîãî áðàòà çàêàçàòü â ÍÈÀÁå ñïðàâêè î ðîæäåíèè Þëèè è Îëüãè, à ëó÷øå áðàê Ìèõàèëà è Åëåíû â 1904-1905 ãã. Âïðî÷åì, äàòà áðàêà íå èçâåñòíà, à âîò âûÿñíèòü, åñòü ëè çàïèñü î ðîæäåíèè Åëåíû â Æè÷èíå èëè Êóðîâùèíå íå äîëæíî áûòü òàê óæ ñëîæíî...
Õîòÿ, ïîõîæå, åùå áîëåå ðåàëüíî íàéòè äàííûå î Âëàäèìèðå Ëèïîâè÷å. ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
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8 èþíÿ 2012 14:48 8 èþíÿ 2012 15:00 kbg_dnepr íàïèñàë: [q] Ò.å. â 1930 ã. Âëàäèìèð áûë ïîìîùíèêîì êîìàíäèðà áàòàëüîíà, à â ïåðèîä ÂΠ- ìàéîðîì, íàãðàæäåí îðäåíàìè Îòå÷åñòâåííîé Âîéíû I ñòåïåíè è Êðàñíîãî Çíàìåíè. Çíà÷èò, â âîéíó íå ïîãèá?[/q]
Èâàí.kbg_dnepr íàïèñàë: [q] Êàê èñêàòü æèâûõ âîåííûõ?[/q]
Êóéáûøåâñêèé ÐÂÊ â Ïèòåðå íóæíî ïîïðîáîâàòü çàïðîñèòü. Ìîæåò ó íèõ ÷òî îñòàëîñü, âðåìåí ïðèçûâà. Äà è íàãðàäíîé ïîäïèñàí ìàåì 1945. Âåðíóëñÿ îôèöåðîì. Äîëæåí òàêæå áûë âñòàòü íà âîèíñêèé ó÷åò. Êàê äîëãî õðàíÿòñÿ Ëè÷íûå äåëà îôèöåðñêèå - íå ñêàæó. Ó íèõ òàì âñå óçíàâàòü íóæíî. Íûíå Êóéáûøåâñêèé âðîäå â ñîñòàâå Öåíòðàëüíîãî ðàéîíà Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãà "Öåíòðàëüíûé âîåíêîìàò" - âîåíêîìàò Öåíòðàëüíîãî ðàéîíà Àäðåñ: 191194, óë. ×àéêîâñêîãî, ä. 53 (òåëåôîí 272-62-40, 579-97-77) http://www.gvka.ru/documents/voenkomat/spb/Îîî! Ðàíåí â ñåíòÿáðå 1942. Ïóñòü çàïðîñÿò àðõèâ Âîåííî-ìåäèöèíñêîãî ìóçåÿ. Î×ÅÍÜ âìåíÿåìûé àðõèâ, ñîòðóäíèêè - ÷óäî. Îòâåòÿò áûñòðî äîâîëüíî. Çàïðîñ òîëüêî ñëàòü íóæíî ïî ïî÷òå, ïî ýëåêòðîíêå íå ïðèìóò. http://milmed.spb.ru/arhiv.htmlß áû çàïðàøèâàëà è â âîåíêîìàòå, è â àðõèâå ìóçåÿ. ---
Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.). | | |
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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8 èþíÿ 2012 15:00 8 èþíÿ 2012 15:06 Suggestion from the previous post: You shoul send a letter to voyenkomat (voenkomat - local military administrative agency in St. Petersburg (he was drafted there) "Öåíòðàëüíûé âîåíêîìàò" - âîåíêîìàò Öåíòðàëüíîãî ðàéîíà Address: 191194, óë. ×àéêîâñêîãî, ä. 53 (Phone +7-(812) 272-62-40, 579-97-77) http://www.gvka.ru/documents/voenkomat/spb/He was wounded in Sept. 1942. You should ask the archive of the Russian Museum of Military Medicine (Wiki). The archive is very cooperative, but you have to ask via normal mail, they don't answer emails. But you can ask via email about procedure. http://milmed.spb.ru/arhiv.htmlIn Ukraine, all the offcial contacts with the foreigners go through the Foreign Ministery for months. So it's better for foreigners to find some resident and to ask questions through him. I suppose in Russia it can be similar. Íà Óêðàèíå èíîñòðàíöó ëó÷øå çàïðàøèâàòü íå âïðÿìóþ, à ÷åðåç ðåçèäåíòà (èíà÷å îòâåò áóäåò ìåñÿöàìè èäòè ÷åðåç ÌÈÄ). À â Ðîññèè? ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
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Ìèíñê, Áåëàðóñü
Ñîîáùåíèé: 442
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8 èþíÿ 2012 15:02 8 èþíÿ 2012 15:04 Íàäî ëè÷íîå äåëî îôèöåðà â ÖÀÌÎ èçó÷àòü. Òàì áóäåì è ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ è ñâåäåíèÿ î ðîäèòåëÿõ è âñåõ ðîäñòâåííèêàõ íà òî âðåìÿ. Âîò òîëüêî èì íàäî ðîäñòâî ïîäòâåðäèòü. | | |
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8 èþíÿ 2012 15:04  àðõèâå ìóçåÿ ïî êàêèì êàíàëàì ñëàòü çàïðîñ è ïð, äóìàþ, ìîæíî ïîïðîáîâàòü óòî÷íèòü ïî ýëåêòðîíêå.
Ãîâîðþ æ, ñîòðóäíèêè - ÷óäî. Îòâå÷àþò.
Íî ñàì çàïðîñ - ëèøü ïî÷òîé. ---
Ñïàñèáî.
Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Åëåíà.
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Øàôðàíîâñêèå (Ãîìåëüñêèé óåçä Ìîãèëåâñêîé ãóá.), Öåëèöî(à) (âåçäå), Öû(è)òîâè÷è (Ìîãèëåâñêàÿ ãóá.), Êà(î)êòûø (Çóáåëåâè÷è/Ëÿõîâè÷è, Ñëóöêîãî óåçäà Ìèíñêîé ãóá.). | | |
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Äíèïðî (áûâø. Äíåïðîïåòðîâñê)
Ñîîáùåíèé: 7047
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2008 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 4362
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8 èþíÿ 2012 15:05 8 èþíÿ 2012 15:32 One more suggestion:
You should ask for his personal file at Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defence (TsAMO RF). There are data on parents and all his relatives. For us Russians they are very expensive, maybe you can afford them.
He must have been a CPSU member, there is another archive. But first TsAMO and look for his member book No. ---
Êàòåðèíà
Ãëóøàê (Áðÿíñê.) Êîâàëåâ, Ôåäîñåíêî (Ìîãèëåâñê.)
Îãëîòêîâ (Ãîðáàò. ó. ÍÃÃ) Àëüêèí Æàðêîâ Êóëüäèøîâ Áàëàíäèí (Ñèìá. ãóá.)
Êëûøêèí Âëàñåíêî Ñàêóíîâ Êó÷åðÿâåíêî (Ãëóõîâ)
Êèðè÷åíêî Áîíäàðåíêî Áåëîóñ Ñòðàøíûé (Íîâîìîñê. Äíåïðîï.) | | |
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