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Сообщения toryc (16)Тема: Юркины
6.06.2020, 8:43
Hello. I am looking for more information on my great, great grandfather's family.
His name was Mikhail Vasilievich YURKIN (spelled Jurkin, Jurkela, or Jurkinin in the Finnish records), born 25 Sep 1880 in Russia, possibly Vyatka, died 2 Mar 1916 in Helsinki, Finland. Married to Alma Sofia Raatikainen from Viitasaari, Finland. They had three daughters: Pola (10 Dec 1907/1908), Maria/Marie (28 Dec 1908/1910), and Xenia (2 Jan 1912). He was a merchant in Helsinki.
He seems to have had a brother named Stepan Jurkin, born 1884, also listed as being from Vyatka, who also lived in Helsinki in the 1910s. His wife was Lydia Wasiljeva, born 14 Mar 1890. Their children were Lidya (20 Sep 1909), Konstantin (7 Jul 1910), Wasilij (29 Jan 1912), and Viktor (18 Feb 1915) who I think were all born in Finland.
He also may have had another brother or cousin named Alexander (born 1894-6) who lived in Helsinki in 1914 and 1915, was a mechanical engineer and lived in Moscow, Russia with his wife Olga in 1930.
Apologies for any mistakes in the names, I only have access to the records I have found in Finnish and Swedish and have written them as they were recorded.
Привет. Я ищу больше информации о семье моего прапрадеда.
Его звали Михаил Васильевич ЮРКИН (в финских записях пишется Юркин, Юркела или Юркинин). Родился 25 сентября 1880 года в России, возможно, Вятка, умер 2 марта 1916 года в Хельсинки, Финляндия. Женат на Альме Софии Раатикайнен из Виитасаари, Финляндия. У них было три дочери: Пола (10 декабря 1907/1908), Мария / Мария (28 декабря 1908/1910) и Ксения (2 января 1912). Он был торговцем в Хельсинки.
У него, кажется, был брат по имени Степан Юркин, 1884 года рождения, который также числится в Вятке, который также жил в Хельсинки в 1910-х годах. Его женой была Лидия Васильева, родившаяся 14 марта 1890 года. Их детьми были Лидия (20 сентября 1909 года), Константин (7 июля 1910 года), Василий (29 января 1912 года) и Виктор (18 февраля 1915 года), которые, я думаю, все родились в Финляндии. ,
У него также, возможно, был другой брат или двоюродный брат по имени Александр (род. 1894-6), который жил в Хельсинки в 1914 и 1915 годах, был инженером-механиком и жил в Москве, Россия, со своей женой Ольгой в 1930 году.
Извиняюсь за любые ошибки в именах, у меня есть доступ только к записям, которые я нашел на финском и шведском языках, и написал их так, как они были записаны.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
2.06.2020, 21:45
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toryc wrote:
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I tried searching for alternate spellings but had zero results.
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Germanized endings like "...off" or "..jeff" were common at the beginning of XX century. So for the time period that we are discussing you should get more hits using it. The more accurate "..ov", "..ev" or "..yev" became popular later.
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According to Finnish police records (they kept a file on Sofia/Alma over the years due to her Russian ties), her second husband's name was Efim/Jefim Vladimirovitsch Sergejeff, born 25 Mar 1890 in Russia. There is conflicting information in the reports. His death is listed as December 18,1917 while there is also a note that he was a cossack officer and was captured in 1920 in St. Petersburg, sent to Arkangel and probably executed there (by bolsheviks). Further still, there is a note that she wrote to his sister, Anastasia Vladimirovna Sergeffia, in "Novotsherkassk, Staro Zagorodnaya" in 1923 saying she was waiting for him to come to Finland and mentioned his rank of 'lieutenant colonel or voiskovoj starshina in the Cossack forces"
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Тема: Фотографии военных
27.05.2020, 23:25
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toryc wrote:
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So perhaps the photo is her husband, just not the husband we thought he was ...
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It's possible. There is one Sergeev (Сергеев) listed among officers of the 428th regiment but unfortunately the doc contains last names only. It's a very common last name so it will be hard to figure out who this guy is.
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Thanks! I'll see what I can find with that variation. I tried searching for alternate spellings but had zero results.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
24.05.2020, 22:55
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 21 мая 2020 20:11
Just found out that Alma remarried! To an EW Sergejeff, listed here https: //digi.kansalliskirjasto ...? Page = 1140 as a fänrik / second lieutenant.
By 1924 (there are no records of them 1918-1923) she was back in Helsinki, listed as a widow again.
So perhaps the photo is her husband, just not the husband we thought he was ...
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Тема: Фотографии военных
21.05.2020, 23:23
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 21 мая 2020 20:11
Thank you. Based on my own research, I didn't think there was any weight to the Cossack references either. I just wanted to be able to confirm that the story was debunked so thanks for that! My aunt just couldn't believe that my grandmother was so wrong, especially since she was so close with her own aunts who would have been Mikael's daughters and with her grandmother. I couldn't figure out where the Cossack story came from either, it was just being passed down by word of mouth with nothing to back it up. But my grandmother herself didn't like to discuss the family history, so my aunt just had to scribble down notes as fast as she could when she could get my grandmother speaking. I'm going to go with your suggestion of the word Cossack being used interchangeably with Russian.
VC написал:[q] Yes, seems to be a brother. The question is only whether he is also the officer and the engineer who arrived to US. It's tempting to connect them - returned to Russia, finished military engineering school and worked as an civilian engineer later. But both last and the first names are not rare and it's hard to say for sure.[/q]
I believe the birthdays/ages match so it seems likely, but really, just in the "official" records I've seen throughout my genealogy searches, the birthdays listed seem to be somewhat inconsistent, especially for Mikael's daughters so who's to say for sure.
You have been very helpful and I really appreciate the time you've taken to help get this information sorted so thank you!
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Тема: Фотографии военных
21.05.2020, 1:16
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 19 мая 2020 7:47
I don't recall if I've included this information in the past, but my grandmother had thought Mikael was a Cossack, so I searched years ago for information related to that. In the process, I found this photo http://www.conflicts.rem33.com...age001.jpg (full page here: http://www.conflicts.rem33.com...weiss.htm) that realized that one of the men seated on the right side looks a lot like the man standing in that photo of the two men. It may be coincidence, but I thought I would include it in case it helps. It doesn't explain why he would be in a suit while almost everyone else is in uniform but it's something?
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Тема: Фотографии военных
19.05.2020, 20:50
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 19 мая 2020 7:47
VC написал:[q] There is one Alexander who finished Nikolay Engineering School (Николаевское инженерное училище) in St. Petersburg on September 15th 1916. Probably later served in a sapper or some other engineer unit. Unfortunately only the name is listed without any additional info so it could be just a coincidence.[/q]
Actually, there was an Alexander Jurkin listed at the same address as Mikael Jurkin and his family in 1915 and 1916 in Helsinki. That's the only listing I've seen for him so far in relation to the family. But I did search on Ancestry and found an Alexander Jurkin's travel records.
New York arrival: He arrived in New York via Berlin in February 1930 from Russia. This records lists his age as 36, career as engineer, birthplace as Kalanga, Russia, last permanent address as Moscow.
US to Canada: arrived in Canada in April 1930, occupation listed as mechanical engineer, his birthplace as Perenwschl, Russia. This record also lists his closest family member as his wife, Olga Jurkin of Moscow.
I haven't had time to dig into that more. In 1913, there was also a Stepan Jurkin, listed as an instrument maker, born in 1885 listed at the same address the Jurkins lived at in 1912 as well as other addresses in other years.
Edit: I was given the address register for Alexander Jurkin, he is also listed as having come from Vjatka and returned to Russia in 1915 so that seems to be a match.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
15.05.2020, 18:41
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 13 мая 2020 20:55
toryc wrote:
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The only other name I can associate with him is his widow's maiden surname, Raatikainen.
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I tried to guess the Russian spelling of this last name (Ратикайнен ???) and searched the WW1 database (https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/). Found a nurse and couple enlisted men with that or similar last names but no officers.
I've received some more information related to the Raatikainens, from church records in Viitasaari. Sons named:
Wilhelm Konstantin, born September 12, 1879
Otto Villiam, born March 25, 1891
Kalle, born August 1, 1899
I don't know if those are possibilities for those photos.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
15.05.2020, 7:31
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 15 мая 2020 2:56
VC написал:[q] I only found his grave mentioned on that page. So it needs to be verified. Unfortunately the person who posted this info hasn't been on the forum since 2015 so I can't ask what was the original source.
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I have a person in Finland who has been helping look up records for me. He said he's going to get that book from the library and also check out the cemetery for the gravesite.
Let me know if these photos work. I can always email them to you if you'd prefer.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
14.05.2020, 7:37
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 13 мая 2020 20:55
VC написал:[q] Yes, seems to be the photo studio "Ortho" in Helsinki. I found other pictures that were taken there.
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Most of the photos we have from this time were all taken at various studios in Helsinki so that's not surprising.
VC написал:[q] Most probably the second picture has also been taken during the WW1. The resolution is too low to see shoulder boards and whether he has any badges that can give additional info. If you or someone else has access to these pictures is it possible to scan shoulder boards and badges with the 1200 dpi resolution? Or at least the whole photo with the 600 dpi? It would be nice to figure out the number on shoulder boards. Both of these guys have the rank of podporuchik (second lieutenant). During the war all officers were released from military schools with the lower rank of praporschik (ensign) after 3-4 months courses. The higher rank indicates that they either studied for 2 years in a military school before that war or already had one promotion during the war. Both these things increase chances that they can be found. It's also the reason why I think neither of them is Michael Jurkin - they both spent significant time in the military.
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I had my aunt scan the photos at 1200 dpi and send it to me so I could work on it in Photoshop, but I never could get the boards that clear. I'll try it again. In the photo with the 2 men, the man seated definitely looked like his boards read 428 or 426. I'll work on them and crop the area to post (I was going to attach the higher resolution versions but they were too large.)
VC написал:[q] Just use various spellings of his name from the documents you have and add Helsinki or Helsingfors to narrow down your search results.
BTW. It seems he was buried at the Hietaniemi cemetery. This page mentions his and his wife names:
5.Михаил Васильевич Юркин 15.09.1880 – 18.02.1916 и Алма Софиа 1882 - 1961 Канада
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Thank you for this because I've been checking the various grave websites and hadn't found it! When I put his name in Google, I pretty much get no results. Same for the rest of the family. I don't know if that is because I'm mainly getting English results or what. But I also don't have luck using Ancestry.com, Geni.com, Familysearch.org, etc. The Finnish archive sites don't even come up in my Google results.
VC написал:[q] That's a common problem. They are probably listed under husbands last names in later documents.
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I think the biggest problem is that most of them left Finland. They went to school outside of Finland as girls, at least one in Belgium but I'm not sure when, where, or for how long they were away. One of the daughters, Marie, never married and moved to Canada. Xenia married a politician Eino Ilmari Raune (previously Riihimaki), he died in the 1950s. My great grandmother, Pola, supposedly traveled to Canada with a dance company in the late 1920s. She met her Finnish husband (Yrjo/George Karttunen/Kare) in the United States got married and stayed in the US, later divorced, then died in the 1950s.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
14.05.2020, 6:39
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 14 мая 2020 0:11
Defintely possible! It's just what was on a form and then what someone else told me.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
13.05.2020, 6:03
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 12 мая 2020 5:28
I'm waiting to hear if there is anything on the back, but I'm not sure there is. There is only a stamp on the bottom of the photo from the studio (presumably in Helsinki.) There is actually another photo that would have been taken earlier I think (based on the dates you previously gave for the uniforms and the dress my great great grandmother is wearing) that is badly damaged.
I think you may be right that they are not the same person, but he definitely must be related because my great grandmother and her sisters resemble him.
Unfortunately, I have no other information about the Jurkin family. Until now, we weren't even sure that was the version of the name he used because one daughter used Jurkela and the others used Jurkin. (Although I'm going to look into the Alexander Jurkin listed in the registry.) Learning he was a merchant in Finland and that he was murdered there is the only new information we have found for him in years. When I try to search from here in the United States, I don't get search results for anything. I really appreciate you looking him up. Every little bit of new information helps so thank you!
The only other name I can associate with him is his widow's maiden surname, Raatikainen. I do not know how they met or where. She is listed with different names in different records: Anna Sofia, Sofia, Alma Sofia, Sofia Antonowna. I have trouble finding information on their daughters, too: Pola/Apollinaria/Apolinadia (the Finnish records are the first time we have heard of any name being used other than Pola), Xenia, Maria/Mania/Marie.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
12.05.2020, 3:10
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя VC от 2 мая 2019 20:11
Apologies. I never saw your reply. I've been doing more research lately and I just came across new information for him. The stories passed down about him in our family are incorrect. I was just sent a newspaper article from 1916 in Helsinki, where he was living and working as a merchant, about is murder (shot) outside his shop. Other records from Helsinki show that prior to his moving to Helsinki in 1908, he was in Vietka, Belarus. He was only 35 when he was killed. Any thoughts on how these dates might relate to his military service? Some of what he was selling was military uniforms and I am told that would have been unlikely without some connection to the military.
As usual, his name is spelled differently in different records. I'm attaching two to show the differences.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
25.04.2019, 2:32
VC написал:[q]
toryc wrote:
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I'm great for a great grandfather. Michael Jurkela or Jurkin - probably an anglicized version. We’ve been in 1919. I’m hoping to get in touch with him. He is the man sitting. We would not appreciate you.
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The photo was taken during WWI or the Civil War. Both are officers. Two stars on shoulder boards represent the second lieutenant (rank second podporuchik). It is located in Moscow. You can see it on the left. It indicates the unit where it served. It is possible to scan this area with the 1200 dpi resolution?
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Thank you! I do not have the photo. I will ask for it.
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Тема: Фотографии военных
24.04.2019, 10:14
Hello. I hope this is the correct place to get help. (I'm using Google Translate and having some problems.)
I'm looking for information on this photo of my great, great grandfather. We were told that his name was Michael Jurkela or Jurkin- probably an anglicized version. We were told that he and others were executed by a Bolshevik firing squad in or around 1919. I am hoping to find his actual name and also if anyone can tell me anything about the branch of the military or the rank by his uniform. He is the man sitting. We do not know the identity of the man standing but would appreciate information.
Michael was Finnish or Russian. His wife was Finnish and returned there after his death.
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