Ïîèñê èíôîðìàöèè î Âàñèëèè Âàñèëüåâè÷å Øóäíàòå (áîëåå èçâåñò

Ïîèñê èíôîðìàöèè î Âàñèëèè Âàñèëüåâè÷å Øóäíàòå (áîëåå èçâåñòíîì êàê Íèêîëàé Âèëüãåëüì Øóäíàò)

Ëèäèÿ ðîäèëàñü â Ìîñêâå 10 ôåâðàëÿ 1912 ãîäà è áûëà êðåùåíà 30 ìàðòà 1912 ãîäà. Ÿ ðîäèòåëÿìè áûëè Âëàäèìèð Ñàâåëîâè÷ Áèáèêîâ, ñòóäåíò þðèäè÷åñêîãî ôàêóëüòåòà ÈÌÓ, è åãî æåíà Ìàðèÿ Èðàêëèåâíà, îáà ïðàâîñëàâíûå õðèñòèàíå, èç äîìà Áàõðóøèíûõ. Èõ êðåñòíûìè ðîäèòåëÿìè áûëè íåìåöêèé ñîëäàò Âàñèëèé Âàñèëüåâè÷ Øóäíàò è äâîðÿíêà Ëèäèÿ Âàñèëüåâíà Áèáèêîâà. Ýòîò àáçàö âçÿò íåïîñðåäñòâåííî èç êîììåíòàðèÿ, ðàçìåùåííîãî íà ñàéòå Áèáèêîâà, íàéäåííîãî ïîëüçîâàòåëåì irinalilp.
Îïóáëèêîâàíî: 28 èþëÿ 2023 ã.

ß íå ïîíèìàþ, êóäà ðàçìåñòèòü ñâîé çàïðîñ, òàê êàê â ïðîøëîì ÿ ÷àñòî ðàçìåùàë èíôîðìàöèþ â ðàçäåëàõ, êîòîðûå äðóãèå íàõîäèëè íåóìåñòíûìè. ß ðàçìåùàþ åãî çäåñü, îáäóìàâ ñèòóàöèþ, è íàäåþñü, ÷òî êòî-íèáóäü ñìîæåò ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñ äðóãèì ÷åëîâåêîì îò ìîåãî èìåíè.  îáùåì, ÿ îïàñàþñü, ÷òî ìåíÿ ñî÷òóò íàçîéëèâûì!

ß îò÷àÿííî ïûòàþñü óçíàòü áîëüøå î ñâÿçè ìåæäó ëèíèåé Áèáèêîâûõ Ñåâåðà (áóäóùåãî Åêàòåðèíáóðãñêîãî àäâîêàòà) è ëèíèåé Øóäíàò. Íà äàííûé ìîìåíò ó ìåíÿ åñòü ëèøü òåìàòè÷åñêèå, à íå ôàêòè÷åñêèå ñâåäåíèÿ. ß èùó äîêàçàòåëüñòâà, êàñàþùèåñÿ Âàñèëèÿ Âàñèëüåâè÷à Áèáèêîâà (îáû÷íî èìåíóåìîãî Íèêîëàåì).

Ãåíåàëîãèÿ Øóäíàò — ýòî èíòðèãóþùàÿ, ìíîãîýòíè÷åñêàÿ âåòâü ðóññêîãî äîðåâîëþöèîííîãî âûñøåãî ñðåäíåãî êëàññà. Èñòîðè÷åñêè óêîðåíèâøèñü â èìïåðñêîé Ãåðìàíèè è ìîñêîâñêèõ êóïå÷åñêèõ ãèëüäèÿõ, ñåìüÿ òåñíî ïåðåïëåëàñü ñ áàçèðîâàâøèìèñÿ íà Óðàëå ñåìüÿìè Áèáèêîâûõ è Áåòàêè, ïðåæäå ÷åì áåæàòü îò áîëüøåâèêîâ ÷åðåç Õàðáèí è Øàíõàé è ïîñåëèòüñÿ â Àâñòðàëèè.

Ñòðóêòóðíóþ ðîäîñëîâíóþ ëèíèè Øóäíàò è å¸ ïåðåñå÷åíèÿ ìîæíî ïðîñëåäèòü ïî ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêèì àðõèâàì è öåðêîâíûì ðåãèñòðàì: îäíàêî ññûëêè íà ýòè ðîññèéñêèå àðõèâíûå ñàéòû â Àâñòðàëèè íå ðàáîòàþò.

1. Äîðåâîëþöèîííûé ôîíä (Ìîñêâà è Ãåðìàíèÿ)
Øóäíàöû èçíà÷àëüíî áûëè íåìöàìè ïî ïðîèñõîæäåíèþ, ïîëó÷èâøèìè íåìåöêîå ãðàæäàíñòâî èëè çàíèìàâøèìè âèäíûå òîðãîâûå ïîçèöèè â äîðåâîëþöèîííîé Ìîñêâå.
Âàñèëèé Âàñèëüåâè÷ Øóäíàò (ñòàðøèé): ãëàâà òîðãîâîé ëèíèè â êîíöå XIX è íà÷àëå XX âåêîâ. Îí óïðàâëÿë âûñîêîêëàññíûìè òîðãîâûìè ïðåäïðèÿòèÿìè, ñïåöèàëèçèðóþùèìèñÿ íà îäåæäå è ãîëîâíûõ óáîðàõ ïðåìèóì-êëàññà, ñ ôëàãìàíñêèìè ìàãàçèíàìè â Ñðåäíåì Òîðãîâîì Ðÿäå â Ìîñêâå è Ñàíêò-Ïåòåðáóðãå.
Âàñèëèé Âàñèëüåâè÷ Øóäíàò (ìëàäøèé): åãî ñûí, àêòèâíàÿ ôèãóðà â ýëèòíûõ ìîñêîâñêèõ ñâåòñêèõ êðóãàõ. Öåðêîâíûå ìåòðè÷åñêèå êíèãè îò ìàðòà 1912 ãîäà óêàçûâàþò åãî êàê îôèöèàëüíîãî êðåñòíîãî îòöà Ëèäèè Âëàäèìèðîâíû Áèáèêîâîé (âíó÷êè Ñåâåðà Áèáèêîâà è Ëèäèè Áåòàêè) íàðÿäó ñ ñàìîé áàáóøêîé.

2. Ïåðåñå÷åíèå ñ ëèíèåé Áåòàêè/Áèáèêîâûõ
Ñåìüÿ Øóäíàò òåñíî ñâÿçàíà ñ ïîòîìêàìè óðàëüñêîãî àäâîêàòà Ñåâåðà Áèáèêîâà è Ëèäèè Âàñèëüåâíû Áåòàêè.
Íèêîëàé Øóäíàò: Âñòóïèë â áðàê ñ ïðåäñòàâèòåëåì ýòîé ñåìüè. Èñòîðè÷åñêèå ôîòîãðàôèè è çàïèñè óêàçûâàþò íà ïðÿìóþ ñâÿçü Íèêîëàÿ ñ Ëèäèåé Áåòàêè è åå äî÷åðüþ Ëèäèåé Ñàâåëîâíîé Áèáèêîâîé (êîòîðàÿ âïîñëåäñòâèè âçÿëà èìÿ Ëèäèÿ Ñàâåëîâíà Øóäíàò ïîñëå âñòóïëåíèÿ â ðîä).
Ëèäèÿ Ñàâåëîâíà Øóäíàò (óðîæäåííàÿ Áèáèêîâà): Ðîäèëàñü îêîëî 1880 ãîäà, ñòàëà êëþ÷åâîé ìàòåðèíñêîé ôèãóðîé äëÿ ñëåäóþùåãî ïîêîëåíèÿ. Ïîñëå ðàñïàäà Ðîññèéñêîé èìïåðèè îíà âçÿëà íà ñåáÿ îïåêó íàä ïîòîìêàìè â äèàñïîðå.

Seeking information on Vasily Vasilyevich Shudnat (more commonly referred to as Nicolai Wilhelm Shudnat)

Lydia was born in Moscow on February 10, 1912, and baptized on March 30, 1912. Her parents were Vladimir Savelovich Bibikov , a student at the IMU Law Faculty, and his wife, Maria Iraklievna, both Orthodox Christians, in the Bakhrushin house. Their godparents were German soldier Vasily Vasilyevich Shudnat and the noblewoman Lydia Vasilyevna Bibikova. This paragraph is directly taken from a comment posted on the Bibikov site researched by irinalilp
Published:July 28, 2023

I have no understanding on where to post my enquiry as I often in the past have entered things in sections that others have found misplaced. I post it here on reflection and hope that perhaps someone might be able to correspond with another on my behalf. Basically, I am anxious that I will be considered a nuisance!

I am desperately trying to find out more with this link between the Bibikov line of Sever (imminent Yekaterinburg Lawyer) and the Shudnat line. All I have to date is rather thematic more than factual. I am searching for evidence on this Vasily Vasilyevich Bibikov (usually referred to as Nicolai).

The Shudnat (Øóäíàò) genealogy is an intriguing, multi-ethnic branch of the Russian pre-revolutionary upper-middle class. Historically rooted in Imperial Germany and Moscow merchant guilds, the family became deeply intertwined with the Ural-based Bibikov and Betaki families, before fleeing the Bolsheviks via Harbin and Shanghai to settle in Australia.

The structural lineage of the Shudnat line and its intersections can be mapped through genealogical archives and church registers: However links do not work in Australia to these Russian file sites.

1. The Pre-Revolutionary Foundation (Moscow & Germany)
The Shudnats were originally of German extraction (Ãåðìàíñêèå ïîääàííûå) who naturalised or operated as prominent merchants in pre-revolutionary Moscow.
Vasily Vasilyevich Shudnat (Senior): Head of the commercial line in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. He operated high-end mercantile businesses specializing in premium apparel and millinery, with flagship locations in Moscow's Srednie Torgovye Ryady (Middle Trading Rows) and St. Petersburg.
Vasily Vasilyevich Shudnat (Junior): His son, an active figure in elite Moscow social circles. Church metric books from March 1912 place him as the official godfather to Lydia Vladimirovna Bibikova (the granddaughter of Sever Bibikov and Lydia Betaki), alongside the grandmother herself.
2. The Intersect with the Betaki/Bibikov Line
The Shudnat family integrated closely with the descendants of the Ural attorney Sever Bibikov and Lydia Vasilievna Betaki.
Nicholas Shudnat: Married into the family line. Historical photographs and records place Nicholas in direct connection with Lydia Betaki and her daughter Lydia Savelovna Bibikova (who subsequently took the name Lydia Savelovna Shudnat upon integration/marriage into the line).
Lydia Savelovna Shudnat (née Bibikova): Born around 1880, she became a key maternal figure for the next generation. Following the collapse of the Russian Empire, she assumed guardianship roles across the diaspora