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À âîîáùå Ôèëèïïà ìàòü íå âîñïèòûâàëà. Àëèñà ðàçîøëàñü ñ ìóæåì è äîëãî øëÿëàñü ãäå-òî. Ïðîáëåìû ñ ïñèõèêîé íå¸ áûëè. Îíà â Àíãëèþ ïåðååõàëà ïî íàñòîÿíèþ ñûíà óæå çà ïàðó ëåò äî ñìåðòè è êàæåòñÿ áûëà íå îñîáî ëþáèìà Åëèçàâåòîé è å¸ ðîäñòâåííèêàìè. Îíè ñ÷èòàëè å¸ ñòðàííîé è ìàëîñòü ñâèõíóâøåéñÿ.
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Ïî ôèëüìó îíà ïðèñóòñòâîâàëà íà ñâàäüáå ñûíà â êàêîì-òî ïîëóìîíàøåñêîì îäåÿíèè, â ñåðî-÷åðíîé "õëàìàäå" ñ áåëîé ïîâÿçêîé íà ëáó, ÷òî âûçâàëî ïåðåøåïòûâàíèÿ\ïåðåãëÿäûâàíèÿ â öåðêâè ñðåäè ïðèñóòñòâóþùèõ è "êèñëóþ ìèíó" ó êîðîëÿ..

È åùå, Ôèëèïï ðàññêàçàë Åëèçàâåòå î êàêîé-òî æóòêîé èñòîðèè ñâîåé ñåñòðû, êîòîðàÿ ïîãèáëà â àâèàêàòàñòðîôå, ó íåå, ïðÿì â âîçäóõå, íà÷àëèñü ðîäû è ðåáåíêà íàøëè â îáëîìêàõ ðÿäîì... èëü ÿ ÷åãî-òî íå ïîíÿëà??

È â ôèëüìå ïàðó ðàç óïîìèíàëñÿ êàêîé-òî "íàéäåíûø"....ÿ ïîíÿëà ýòî, êàê íàì¸ê íà Ôèëèïïà.....èëè áûë íåïðàâèëüíûé ïåðåâîä shok.gif .

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Äå-ôàêòî, ñêàçàë Ìàóãëè, ìû îäíîé êðîâè! -
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Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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Ïî ôèëüìó îíà ïðèñóòñòâîâàëà íà ñâàäüáå ñûíà â êàêîì-òî ïîëóìîíàøåñêîì îäåÿíèè, â ñåðî-÷åðíîé "õëàìàäå" ñ áåëîé ïîâÿçêîé íà ëáó, ÷òî âûçâàëî ïåðåøåïòûâàíèÿ\ïåðåãëÿäûâàíèÿ â öåðêâè ñðåäè ïðèñóòñòâóþùèõ è "êèñëóþ ìèíó" ó êîðîëÿ..

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À ýòî òàê è áûëî. Àëèñà îñíîâàëà â Ãðåöèè êàêîå-òî ïðàâîñëàâíîå ñåñòðè÷åñòâî ïî îáðàçöó ìîíàñòûðÿ. Ýòî áûëè íå ìîíàõèíè, íî îáëà÷åíèÿ íîñèëè ïîõîæèå. Âîò îíà ñ ñûíîì â òàêîì îáëà÷åíèè. https://n1s2.starhit.ru/50/af/...141109.jpg
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È åùå, Ôèëèïï ðàññêàçàë Åëèçàâåòå î êàêîé-òî æóòêîé èñòîðèè ñâîåé ñåñòðû, êîòîðàÿ ïîãèáëà â àâèàêàòàñòðîôå, ó íåå, ïðÿì â âîçäóõå, íà÷àëèñü ðîäû è ðåáåíêà íàøëè â îáëîìêàõ ðÿäîì... èëü ÿ ÷åãî-òî íå ïîíÿëà??

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Îäíà èç äî÷åðåé Àíäðåÿ è Àëèñû, Öåöèëèÿ, âûøëà çàìóæ çà ïðèíöà Ãåîðãà Äîíàòà Ãåññåí-Äàðìøòàäòñêîãî. Îíè è äâîå èõ ñûíîâåé, Ëþäâèã è Àëåêñàíäð, ïîãèáëè â 1937 ã. ïðè êðóøåíèè ñàìîë¸òà, êîãäà ëåòåëè â Ëîíäîí. Öåöèëèÿ è Ãåîðã Äîíàò òîæå áûëè äîâîëüíî áëèçêèìè ðîäñòâåííèêàìè. Ìàòü Àëèñû Áàòòåíáåðãñêîé, Âèêòîðèÿ Ãåññåí-Äàðìøòàäòñêàÿ, è îòåö Ãåîðãà Äîíàòà Ýðíñò Ëþäâèã, âåëèêèé ãåðöîã Ãåññåíñêèé è Ðåéíñêèé ýòî ðîäíûå áðàò è ñåñòðà. Òî åñòü Öåöèëèÿ âûøëà çàìóæ çà ñâîåãî äâîþðîäíîãî äÿäþ.
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Ïëåìÿííèê Êàðëà è ëþáèìûé âíóê Åëèçàâåòû II Ïèòåð Ôèëèïïñ æåíèëñÿ âòîðîé ðàç íà ðàçâåäåíêå ñ ïðèöåïîì Õàððèåò Ñïåðëèíã (â äåâè÷åñòâå Ñàíäåðñ), äåòñêîé ìåäñåñòðå Íàöèîíàëüíîé ñëóæáû çäðàâîîõðàíåíèÿ Âåëèêîáðèòàíèè. Êàê ïîäàåòñÿ â èõ ïðåññå, "ïðîñòîëþäèíêå", îäíàêî ó íåå (âïðî÷åì íàâåðíîå êàê è ó ìíîãèõ áðèòàíöåâ) åñòü äîñòàòî÷íî çíàòíûå ïðåäêè è ðîäñòâåííèêè. (êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ, ïîñêðåáè áðèòàíöà è íàéäåøü òàòàðèíà, òüôó, àðèñòîêðàòà)

 òîì ÷èñëå, êàê âûÿñíèëîñü, åñòü ïðåäêè, ñâÿçàííûå ñ Ðîññèåé, ðîäèâøèåñÿ â Ðîññèè, ïðàâäà âñå ïî êðîâè âðîäå áû èíîñòðàííîãî (ãîëëàíäöû, àíãëè÷àíå) ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ, ìåñòíûõ äâîðÿí óñëîâíî ñëàâÿíñêîãî ïðîèñõîæäåíèÿ íåò. Íàïðèìåð, ýòî ÑÏá êóïåö, ïåðâûé, êàê ïèøóò, êîìó ïðèñâîèëè çâàíèå ïî÷åòíîãî ãðàæäàíèíà â Ðîññèéñêîé èìïåðèè, Âàñèëèé Ðîäèîíîâè÷ (Âèëüÿì) Âèøîó. Î íåì òóò https://spslc.ru/burial-places...vich).html , áûë æåíàò íà äî÷åðè Áåðíàðäà (Áîðèñà) Ôîêà, âûõîäöà èç Ãîëëàíäèè, ñìîòðèòåëÿ èìïåðàòîðñêèõ ñàäîâ è òåïëèö â Ïåòåðãîôå è ïðåäêà äâîðÿíñêîãî ñåìåéñòâà Ôîêîâ. Àíãëèéñêîå ñåìåéñòâî Âèøîó äîëãî æèëî â Ðîññèè, íî æåíèëèñü â îñíîâíîì íà ñâîèõ æå. Ôîêè æå äàëè êîðíè è â ðîññèéñêîì äâîðÿíñòâå

Äî÷ü Âàñèëèÿ áûëà æåíîé Ãåíðè Õèëëà, òîæå ÑÏá êóïöà, ñîâëàäåëüöà òîðãîâîãî äîìà "Õèëëñ è Âèøîó"

Åå âîñõîäÿùàÿ ðîäîñëîâíàÿ (îñòàâèë òîëüêî ëèíèþ, âåäóùóþ â Ðîññèþ):

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1 Harriet Phillips (born Sanders, first husband Sperling) (born 1980 - ), òî÷íàÿ äàòà ðîæäåíèÿ ïóáëè÷íî íå ðàçãëàøàåòñÿ

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2 Rupert Sanders (died 2023), Ñîëèñèòîð (òèïà àäâîêàòà)
3 Mary Elizaberth Sanders (born Hoskins) (living)

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4 Maj. Geoffrey Thomas St John Sanders (1911 - 1986), âåðõîâíûé øåðèô Ãëîñòåðøèðà (âûñøàÿ êîðîëåâñêàÿ äîëæíîñòü ãðàôñòâà)
5 Eleanor Sanders (born de Zoete) (1910 - 1988) - åå îòåö - èçâåñòíûé â àíãëèè èãðîê â êðèêåò, à åå ìàòü - èç ðîäà àíãëèéñêèõ ïèâîâàðîâ, îñíîâàâøèõ ïèâîâàðíþ Êóðàæ (Courage) (îäèí èç åå ïðåäñòàâèòåëåé áûë âëàäåëüöåì ïîìåñòüÿ Edgcote House, êîòîðîå ó÷àñòâîâàëî â ñúåìêàõ ñåðèàëà "Ãîðäîñòü è ïðåäóáåæäåíèå" 1995 ãîäà, òàì ãäå Êîëèí Ôåðò ñíèìàëñÿ)

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8 Thomas Edward Sanders (1880 - 1958), æóðíàëèñò, ðåäàêòîð
9 Madeleine Sanders (born Green) (1879 - 1954)

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18 Edmond Robert Green (1845 - 1908), ëåñîòîðãîâåö
19 Mary Green (born Brereton) (1856 - 1912)

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38 Charles Brereton (born 5 àïðåëÿ 1814, Bedford, Bedfordshire, England, died 3 àâãóñòà 1895), íàñòîÿòåëü ïðèõîäà â Áåäôîðäøèðå, ìàñîí
39 Emily Brereton (born Hill) (born 30 èþëÿ 1818, Saint Petersburg, Sankt-Peterburg, Russia (Ðîññèÿ), died 1910, Marylebone, London, England, United Kingdom)

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78 Henry Hill (born 17 ÿíâàðÿ 1789, Saint Petersburg, , died 15 èþíÿ 1845, Cheshire West and Chester, England, United Kingdom), êóïåö â Ðîññèéñêîé èìïåðèè
79 Sarah Hill (born Whishaw) (born 1 îêòÿáðÿ 1794, Saint Petersburg, died 7 ôåâðàëÿ 1876)

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156 James Murray-Hil (born 2 àïðåëÿ 1755, London, England, died ÿíâàðü 1825, London, England), êóïåö â Ðîññèéñêîé èìïåðèè
157 Ann Hill (born Yalden) (died 1815, London)

158 William "Speedwell" (Vasilij Rodionovich) Whishaw (born 16 àïðåëÿ 1746, London, England, died 24 ñåíòÿáðÿ 1838, St.-Petersburg), êóïåö â Ðîññèéñêîé èìïåðèè
159 Constancia Cecilia Fock - åå îòåö âûøå óïîìÿíóòûé Bernhard (Boris) Fock (born 26 ÿíâàðÿ 1709, Oldesloe, Holstein, Germany (Ãåðìàíèÿ), died 1776)

êàê ãîâîðèòñÿ, ñàìè óáåäèòåñü íàñêîëüêî îíà "ïðîñòîëþäèíêà" (ïåðâàÿ æåíà Ïèòåðà Ôèëèïïñà, êàæåòñÿ, áîëåå "ïðîñòîëþäèíèñòàÿ" áûëà)
(êñòàòè, ó åå ïåðâîãî ìóæà, íàêà÷àííîãî êóëüòóðèñòà Àíòîíèî Ñïåðëèíãà, òîæå äîâîëüíî ïðèìå÷àòåëüíàÿ ðîäîñëîâíàÿ)

Èíôîðìàöèÿ âçÿòà â òîì ÷èñëå îòñþäà https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Sanders-25733 è https://www.geni.com/people/private/6000000205772245919

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