Looking For A Marriage Record
Looking for a marriage record in Russian Empire
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9 августа 2023 15:10 9 августа 2023 15:13 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя siadeblanc от 9 августа 2023 14:18
I looked at the link more carefully. It turns out that Grigoriy is married. If I understand correctly, it's written "Григорій Михаиловъ Нечаевъ Пожениху" which gives Grigoriy Mikhailov Netchaev married. So Grigoriy and Maria were married between 1878 and 1885 and I really believe that it is in Mogilev or Tchaoussy that we have to look.[/q]
No, this part Пожениху - По жениху, means that Grigory is witness from the groom side. For men in witnesess category marital status was never recorded | | |
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9 августа 2023 15:18 15 февраля 18:33 siadeblanc написал: [q]
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>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя siadeblanc от 9 августа 2023 14:18
I looked at the link more carefully. It turns out that Grigoriy is married. If I understand correctly, it's written "Григорій Михаиловъ Нечаевъ Пожениху" which gives Grigoriy Mikhailov Netchaev married. So Grigoriy and Maria were married between 1878 and 1885 and I really believe that it is in Mogilev or Tchaoussy that we have to look.
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No, this part Пожениху - По жениху, means that Grigory is witness from the groom side
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Oh okay I got it! There is two possible thing anyway. First, Grigoriy met Maria at the marriage of Alexandra then get married or, Alexandra met Ignatius friend of Grigoriy husband of Maria. Unfortunately, we can't reduce the time range but Moguilev is probably a good way because in the immigrate folder of Maria that I found recently, it says that Maria and Grigoriy married in Moguilev without date precision. And I remember that Grigoriy wasn't in Vilnius anymore after 1878 or in any case, not foundable so maybe he travel to Belarus for X reason. | | |
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9 августа 2023 15:30 15 февраля 18:34 oh, I may have some vital information regarding Grigoriy Mikhailov Netchaiev. He may have been born on January 5, 1853 in Moscow or on September 5, 1854 in Moscow. Do you think you could find his birth certificate? | | |
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9 августа 2023 15:56 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] oh, I may have some vital information regarding Grigoriy Mikhailov Netchaiev. He may have been born on January 5, 1853 in Moscow or on September 5, 1854 in Moscow. Do you think you could find his birth certificate?[/q]
Are you sure of the year of birth? 23-24 years seems like a very young age for a captain. I'll try to look at something, but there were many parishes in Moscow. | | |
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9 августа 2023 16:09 15 февраля 18:34 siadeblanc написал: [q]
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oh, I may have some vital information regarding Grigoriy Mikhailov Netchaiev. He may have been born on January 5, 1853 in Moscow or on September 5, 1854 in Moscow. Do you think you could find his birth certificate?
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Are you sure of the year of birth? 23-24 years seems like a very young age for a captain.
I'll try to look at something, but there were many parishes in Moscow.[/q]
]I have the same feeling as you about the date of birth but it was Maria Tolstoy who wrote it in her own hand in the immigration file. I asked for Grigoriy's death certificate, I had the year and the city, I think I'll get it this week, if there's at least one age, we'll soon be sure | | Лайк (1) |
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26 августа 2023 14:54 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя siadeblanc от 9 августа 2023 14:18
It's really helpful and enlighten! It explains where "Danilovna" of Maria Danilovna Tolstoï come from when Danil Tosltoï does not exist. Marie therefore takes her patronymic from her father-in-law Danil Siniavsky.
Tanks for the link[/q]
Hello. Turns out that the teacher Engel from the birth certificate of 1895 is the same person as the groom. However, in my opinion, it's quite possible that there could have been a previous marriage of Maria to a count Tolstoy, so she could get married to Nechaev as a widow. Also, the witnesses on the Russian Orthodox marriages were usually male, if any woman was every found in this role. Grigory Nechaev in that record was very likely already married to Maria Danilovna, and since Maria was much older than Alexandra, she should be ideally married off before the younger sibling anyway. | | |
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26 августа 2023 15:40 Good morning,
I was able to get Mikhail Nietchaieff's immigration file.
Here is what is said for his parents: Grigoriy was born in 1849 in Moscow and died in 1918 in Kovno and Maria Tolstoy at Salovo castle in Moguileff on June 26, 1857.
In summary, Grigoriy was born on January 5, 1853 then on September 5, 1854 according to his wife Maria Tolstoy then in 1849 according to his son but always in Moscow. Both still agree on a death in 1918 in Kovno (I am still waiting for the return of the archives of Lithuania).
I couldn't find any information about the Salovo castle or any castle in Mogilev.
I also saw that Mikhail added Pietrovsky as a nickname. What does it mean ?
I also spotted the following addresses: 22 Tarasovska Street, kyiv, Ukraine. What address is that today? I thought it might be this one: Tarasivska St, 22, Kyiv, Ukraine
and 13 villa noblesse, Poland, but there I have no leads.
I do not know if this information can be useful or can lead us to a track but here it is anyway.
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26 августа 2023 16:01 15 февраля 18:34 >> Ответ на сообщение пользователя OlgaKob от 26 августа 2023 14:54 Good point about Engel, I didn't notice that. So Ignatiy Engel was a close friend of Grigoriy. Ignatiy married Alexandra and he was the godfather to the son of his friend Grigoriy and his wife Maria Tolstoy. I don't necessarily agree on the fact that Maria was able to marry a first time with a Count Tolstoy then keep the title and his name then married Grigoriy Netchaiev. Mikhail Netchaiev's wife was a widow from a first marriage and yet she did not bear her husband's name, she bore her birth name. I think once you are widowed you get your birth name back. if there really is a 1st marriage with a Count Tolstoy, then we must list all the Count Tolstoy who died between 1875 and 1885 | | |
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26 августа 2023 16:51 15 февраля 18:35 oh I think Maria got married in 1877 in Tchaoussy. In his immigration file, it is marked the following thing: "Tchaïssy vers 1877" which mean Tchaïssy around 1877.
At the beginning, I thought it was her birthdate with a mistake but in fact it's here marriage date. There is a photo of her child who bothers the title. I will investigate it | | |
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26 августа 2023 17:44 26 августа 2023 17:45 FuranNietchaieff написал: [q] Good morning,
I was able to get Mikhail Nietchaieff's immigration file.
Here is what is said for his parents: Grigoriy was born in 1849 in Moscow and died in 1918 in Kovno and Maria Tolstoy at Salovo castle in Moguileff on June 26, 1857.
In summary, Grigoriy was born on January 5, 1853 then on September 5, 1854 according to his wife Maria Tolstoy then in 1849 according to his son but always in Moscow. Both still agree on a death in 1918 in Kovno (I am still waiting for the return of the archives of Lithuania).
I couldn't find any information about the Salovo castle or any castle in Mogilev.
I also saw that Mikhail added Pietrovsky as a nickname. What does it mean ?
I also spotted the following addresses: 22 Tarasovska Street, kyiv, Ukraine. What address is that today? I thought it might be this one: Tarasivska St, 22, Kyiv, Ukraine
and 13 villa noblesse, Poland, but there I have no leads.
I do not know if this information can be useful or can lead us to a track but here it is anyway.[/q]
I failed to find any trace of a Salov in the Mogilev province. Yet there was an estate of Counts Tolstoy near Chaus, it was called 'Jalova/Yalova' (Yalovo/Ялова/Ялово). Now it's a suburgan area of the town. https://vk.com/wall-57721553_17176https://chausy.gov.by/galereya/itemlist/category/390-gorodhttps://www.radzima.org/ru/foto/39190.htmlP.S. By 'chateau' they mean just an estate, no actual castle)) A manor, in other words. | | Лайк (1) |
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