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Îòêðûâàåì íîâóþ òåìó â ðàçäåëå íå èñïîëüçóÿ òîëüêî áîëüøèå áóêâû. Ïèøåì íàçâàíèå òåìû è êîðîòêî ïîÿñíåíèå â ïîäòåìå.
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 1708 îáðàçîâàíà Êàçàíñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ íà îñíîâå òåððèòîðèè, ïîäâåäîìñòâåííîé ðàíåå ïðèêàçó  Êàçàíñêîãî äâîðöà. Ïåðâîíà÷àëüíî îõâàòûâàëà òåððèòîðèþ ïî ïðàâîìó è ëåâîìó áåðåãàì Âîëãè îò Íèæíåãî Íîâãîðîäà äî Àñòðàõàíè. Ñîñòîÿëà èç Êàçàíñêîãî, Ñâèÿæñêîãî, Ïåíçåíñêîãî, Ñèìáèðñêîãî,  Óôèìñêîãî, Àñòðàõàíñêîãî è äðóãèõ âîåâîäñòâ.  1719 âîåâîäñòâà ñòàëè íàçûâàòüñÿ ïðîâèíöèÿìè.  XVIII âåêå èç Êàçàíñêîé ãóáåðíèè â ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíûå àäìèíèñòðàòèâíûå åäèíèöû âûäåëåíû Ñèìáèðñêàÿ,  Íèæåãîðîäñêàÿ, Ïåíçåíñêàÿ, Àñòðàõàíñêàÿ ãóáåðíèè.  1781 Êàçàíñêàÿ ãóáåðíèÿ ïðåîáðàçîâàíà â íàìåñòíè÷åñòâî (â 1796 âíîâü ãóáåðíèÿ), â êîòîðîå âõîäèëè Êàçàíñêèé, Àðñêèé, Êîçüìîäåìüÿíñêèé,  Ëàèøåâñêèé, Ìàìàäûøñêèé, Ñâèÿæñêèé, Ñïàññêèé, Òåòþøñêèé, Öàðåâîêîêøàéñêèé, Öèâèëüñêèé, ×åáîêñàðñêèé, ×èñòîïîëüñêèé, ßäðèíñêèé óåçäû.  1795 Àðñêèé, Ñïàññêèé è Òåòþøñêèé óåçäû óïðàçäíåíû, â 1802 äâà ïîñëåäíèõ âîññòàíîâëåíû.  Â 1897 â ñîñòàâ Êàçàíñêîé ãóáåðíèè âõîäèëè ñëåäóþùèå óåçäû: Êàçàíñêèé, Êîçüìîäåìüÿíñêèé, Ëàèøåâñêèé, Ìàìàëûøñêèé, Ñâèÿæñêèé, Ñïàññêèé, Òåòþøñêèé, Öàðåâîêîêøàéñêèé, Öèâèëüñêèé, ×åáîêñàðñêèé, ×èñòîïîëüñêèé, ßäðèíñêèé.
   Â 2000 â ñîñòàâ Òàòàðñòàíà âõîäèëè ñëåäóþùèå ðàéîíû: Àãðûçñêèé ð-í (öåíòð - ã. Àãðûç), Àçíàêàåâñêèé ð-í (ã. Àçíàêàåâî), Àêñóáàåâñêèé ð-í (ðï. Àêñóáàåâî), Àêòàíûøñêèé ð-í (ñ  Àêòàíûø), Àëåêñååâñêèé ð-í (ðï. Àëåêñååâñêîå), Àëüêååâñêèé ð-í (ñ Áàçàðíûå Ìàòàêè), Àëüìåòüåâñêèé ð-í  (ã. Àëüìåòüåâñê), Àïàñòîâñêèé ð-í (ñ Àïàñòîâî), Àðñêèé ð-í (ðï. Àðñê), Àòíèíñêèé ð-í (ñ Áîëüøàÿ Àòíÿ),  Áàâëèíñêèé ð-í (ã. Áàâëû), Áàëòàñèíñêèé ð-í (ñ Áàëòàñè), Áóãóëüìèíñêèé ð-í (ã. Áóãóëüìà), Áóèíñêèé ð-í (ã. Áóèíñê), Âåðõíåóñëîíñêèé ð-í (ñ Âåðõíèé Óñëîí), Âûñîêîãîðñêèé ð-í (ï æä ñò Âûñîêàÿ Ãîðà),  Äðîææàíîâñêèé ð-í (ñ Ñòàðîå Äðîææàíîå),  Åëàáóæñêèé ð-í (ã. Åëàáóãà), Çàèíñêèé ð-í (ã. Çàèíñê),  Çåëåíîäîëüñêèé ð-í (ã. Çåëåíîäîëüñê), Êàéáèöêèé ð-í (ñ Áîëüøèå Êàéáèöû), Êàìñêî-Óñòüèíñêèé ð-í, Êóêìîðñêèé ð-í (ðï. Êóêìîð), Ëàèøåâñêèé ð-í (ðï. Ëàèøåâî), Ëåíèíîãîðñêèé ð-í (ã. Ëåíèíîãîðñê),  Ìàìàäûøñêèé ð-í (ã. Ìàìàäûø), Ìåíäåëååâñêèé ð-í (ã. Ìåíäåëååâñê), Ìåíçåëèíñêèé ð-í (ã. Ìåíçåëèíñê), Ìóñëþìîâñêèé ð-í (ñ Ìóñëþìîâî), Íèæíåêàìñêèé ð-í (ã. Íèæíåêàìñê), Íîâîøåøìèíñêèé  ð-í (ñ Íîâîøåøìèíñê), Íóðëàòñêèé ð-í (ã. Íóðëàò), Ïåñòðå÷èíñêèé ð-í (ñ Ïåñòðåöû), Ðûáíî-Ñëîáîäñêîé  ð-í (ñ Ðûáíàÿ Ñëîáîäà), Ñàáèíñêèé ð-í (ñ Áîãàòûå Ñàáû), Ñàðìàíîâñêèé ð-í (ñ Ñàðìàíîâî), Ñïàññêèé ð-í  (ã. Áîëãàð), Òåòþøñêèé ð-í (ã. Òåòþøè), Òóêàåâñêèé ð-í (ã. Íàáåðåæíûå ×åëíû), Òþëÿ÷èíñêèé ð-í (ñ Òþëÿ÷è), ×åðåìøàíñêèé ð-í (ñ ×åðåìøàí), ×èñòîïîëüñêèé ð-í (ã. ×èñòîïîëü), Þòàçèíñêèé ð-í (ðï. Óðóññó).
Gennady
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Èðèíà, åñëè íå çàòðóäíèò, èíòåðåñóåò äåðåâíÿ Âóðìàíêàñû ×åáîêñàðñêîãî óåçäà, ôàìèëèè Êîøêèíû è Êàáóðêèíû. Âîîáùå, åñòü ëè ÷òî-íèáóäü ïî ýòîé äåðåâíå.
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Èùó èññëåäîâàòåëåé äëÿ ñîâìåñòíîé ðàáîòû ñ ìåòðè÷åñêèìè êíèãàìè ïðèãîðîäà Ñòàðîøåøìèíñêà ×èñòîïîëüñêîãî óåçäà. Èíòåðåñíà èñòîðèÿ ýòîé ìåñòíîñòè. Ñïèñîê ìåòðè÷åñêèõ êíèã èìååòñÿ.

Æèòåëè ñåëà À÷è äî 1883 ã. áûëè ïðèõîæàíàìè öåðêâè ïðèãîðîäà Ñòàðîøåøìèíñêà.

Ïî Ëÿäîâûì óäàëîñü ïðîäâèíóòüñÿ äî ñåðåäèíû XVIII âåêà. Òàêæå èíòåðåñóþò ôàìèëèè ÊËÈÌÈÍÛ (ñ. Áåëÿõ÷è), ËÀÂÐÈÊÎÂÛ (ñ. À÷è). Ïî êîòîðûì ïîêà íè÷åãî íåèçâåñòíî.

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Irina

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Ïîçâîëüòå ïîäåëèòüñÿ âïå÷àòëåíèÿìè îò ïîåçäêè â Êàçàíü (ñåíòÿáðü 2003ã) 101.gif
Êàçàíü âñòðåòèëà íàñ îòìåííîé ïîãîäîé çîëîòîé îñåíè è íà÷àâøåéñÿ ïîäãîòîâêîé ê ïðàçäíîâàíèþ òûñÿ÷åëåòèÿ ãîðîäà (ýòî áóäåò â 2005ã). Âåçäå ðåìîíò - ðåñòàâðàöèÿ - ñíîñ ñòàðûõ çäàíèé - ñòðîèòåëüñòâî íîâûõ. Íî íåêîòîðûå ìåñòà, ëèáî åùå íå òðîíóòûå, ëèáî óæå ïðèâåäåííûå â ïîðÿäîê, ñîâåðøåííî èçóìèòåëüíî ïðåäñòàâëÿþò ãîðîä. Íàïðèìåð, êëàññè÷åñêîå çäàíèå óíèâåðñèòåòà è ðåøåòêà åãî âîðîò ñ áóêâàìè ÊÈÓ - Êàçàíñêèé Èìïåðàòîðñêèé Óíèâåðñèòåò.  ñîâåòñêîå âðåìÿ ïåðåêëàäèíêà áóêîâêè È îòñóòñòâîâàëà, íî ñåé÷àñ îíà âåðíóëàñü íà çàêîííîå ìåñòî. 101.gif Êñòàòè, ÊÈÓ ñîáèðàåòñÿ ïðàçäíîâàòü ñâîå äâóõñîòëåòèå è ê ýòîìó ñîáûòèþ âûïóñêàåò äâóõòîìíèê Áèîáèáëèîãðàôè÷åñêîãî ñëîâàðÿ ñâîèõ âûïóñêíèêîâ. Ïåðâûé òîì, îõâàòûâàþùèé ïåðâîå ñòîëåòèå, óæå âûøåë èç ïå÷àòè: âïå÷àòëÿþùèé è êðàñèâåííûé ôîëèàíò! Âòîðîé ãîòîâèòñÿ. Åñëè âàøè ðîäñòâåííèêè ó÷èëèñü â ÊÈÓ â 20 âåêå - ïîäåëèòåñü èíôîðìàöèåé! Çàíèìàåòñÿ ýòèì Íèíà Ñåðãååâíà ×óãóíîâà. Àäðåñ: Íàó÷íî-Áèáëèîãðàôè÷åñêèé îòäåë áèáëèîòåêè ÊÓ
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Íåîáõîäèìûå äàííûå: ÔÈÎ âûïóñêíèêà, äàòû ðîæäåíèÿ\ñìåðòè, ãîä ïîñòóïëåíèÿ è ôàêóëüòåò, ìåñòà ðàáîòû, äîëæíîñòè, íàó÷íûå ðàáîòû, çâàíèÿ, íàãðàäû è ïðî÷.  Ïîëó÷èëîñü òàê, ÷òî Íèíà Ñåðãååâíà ïîìîãëà ìíå - ïîäòâåðäèëà ôàêò ïîñòóïëåíèÿ ìîåãî äâîþðîäíîãî ïðàäåäà, Ñèëèâàíèêà Êîíñòàíòèíà Åâãåíüåâè÷à, â ÊÈÓ, à ÿ ïîìîãëà åé - ïåðåäàëà èìåþùèåñÿ ó ìåíÿ ñâåäåíèÿ.
Îäíîé èç öåëåé ìîåé ïîåçäêè â Êàçàíü áûë ïîèñê èíôîðìàöèè î ïðåäêàõ, ÷òî ïîäðàçóìåâàëî ðàáîòó â àðõèâàõ. Óâû, ïîèñêè ìîè îêàçàëèñü áåçóñïåøíûìè, õîòÿ äîëæíà îòìåòèòü, ÷òî ðàáîòíèêè àðõèâà, â òîì ÷èñëå åãî äèðåêòîð, Ãîðîõîâà Ëþäìèëà Âàñèëüåâíà, áûëè î÷åíü îòçûâ÷èâû. Ïîìîãàëè êàê ìîãëè... À â Àðõèâíîì óïðàâëåíèè äàæå çàâåëè ñîâåðøåííî îòäåëüíûé ëè÷íûé ôîíä Å.À. Êîìàðîâñêîãî 101.gif È êîãäà â îòäåë äîêóìåíòîâ ñîâåòñêîãî ïåðèîäà ìû ïðèøëè ïî ïðèíöèïó Ïîéäè òóäà, íå çíàþ êóäà, ïðèíåñè òî, íå çíàþ ÷òî, íà íàñ ïîøóìåëè äëÿ ïðèëè÷èÿ, íî íàøëè âñå, ÷òî ìû ïðîñèëè.  îáùåì, âïå÷àòëåíèÿ îò àðõèâîâ ñàìûå àæóðíûå. Êàê è îò ëþäåé!
Åùå ìû áûëè íà Àðñêîì êëàäáèùå. Îíî ñàìîå ñòàðîå â Êàçàíè. Òàì åñòü ìíîãî èíòåðåñíîãî! Íåñêîëüêî ôîòîãðàôèé Ëþäìèëà óæå ðàçìåñòèëà ó ñåáÿ íà ñàéòå. Âîò òîëüêî ìîãèëó ñâîåé ïðàáàáóøêè ÿ íå ñìîãëà íàéòè. Íà êëàäáèùå áûëè ïðîâåäåíû äâå ïåðåðãèñòðàöèè, ïåðâàÿ â êîíöå 40õ ãîäîâ, âòîðàÿ â 1964. Åñëè ðîäñòâåííèêè íå îáðàùàëèñü â àäìèíèñòðàöèþ êëàäáèùà, òî ìåñòà çàíèìàëèñü äðóãèìè. Áîëåå òîãî, âî âðåìÿ âîéíû áûë ïðèêàç âñå ìåòàëëè÷åñêèå êîíñòðóêöèè, äàæå ìîãèëüíûå ïàìÿòíèêè èëè îãðàäû ïåðåïëàâëÿòü äëÿ âîåííûõ öåëåé... Íî ÷òî äåëàòü, òàêîå áûëî âðåìÿ...
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Âñåì óäà÷è!
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Âñå äàííûå, êàñàþùèåñÿ ìåíÿ è ìîèõ ïðåäêîâ è ðîäñòâåííèêîâ, ðàçìåùåíû íà ñàéòå ìíîþ äîáðîâîëüíî è ñ ñîãëàñèÿ íûíå æèâóùèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ ñ öåëüþ ïîèñêà ñåìåéíûõ êîðíåé
Gennady
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Ñïàñèáî, ÷òî Âû ïîìíèëè î ìîåé ïðîñüáå! ×àñòî âðåìåíè íà ñâîè-òî ñîáñòâåííûå ïîèñêè íå õâàòàåò.....
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Ïîèñê êëàäîâ è ðàðèòåòîâ íàøèõ ïðåäêîâ
Ludmilla
ñêîí÷àëàñü 16 ìàðòà 2009 Ñâåòëàÿ åé ïàìÿòü!

Ludmilla

Ìîñêâà
Ñîîáùåíèé: 5645
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2005 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 1661
Ýòî ó ìåíÿ àíãëîãîâîðÿùèé çàêàç ïî Òàòàðèè. Åñëè êòî-íèáóäü õî÷åò çàíÿòüñÿ èëè ïðîñòî õî÷åò îòâåòèòü äàìå, äàì å-ìåéë.
Äàþ òåêñò:
Hello,
 
I found your website while searching for information on how to reach the Ufa registrar's office. Unfortunately I don't speak Russian. What you are doing is great,
congratulations.
 
I am a Turkish-American living in USA. My mother's father was born near Kazan in Tatarstan, and in 1897 they emigrated to Turkey along with 60 other families from
the same area. They were Kazan Turks. Unfortunately he passed away in 1968, and in those years I was a young girl & didn't really care about ancestors & such.
My mother on the other hand never really asked him anything.. Then some years back we found a diary written by him, addressed to my mother. It was written in
the Arabic script, so we asked my uncle who could read that script to read it to a tape. That way we learned a lot of information, including the fact his 2 sisters and
his mother's brother stayed in Russia. Which means, we should have relatives there..
 
For the past few years I've been working too hard & never really had time to research but recently as my mother became very old, I decided to start this research &
who knows maybe I could find the relatives who were left behind, and surprise her! I also wish to turn my grandfather's story into a book, because it really is a very
moving story.
 
The information we have at hand is very limited, however, based on his diary & based on my internet search through Tatar groups & other related websites, I found
out the following:
 
1) I know his father's & mother's name, as well as his grandfather's name. However, in the old days Turks did not have last names, so I don't know how it shows up
in Russian records.
2) I learned that records dating before 1918 are in Arabic script & in Ufa.
3) According to his diary the town where he was born in 1888, was called "Upper Yakeyevo", but I learned that today there's only "Lower Yakeyevo" (Nizhnee
Yakeyevo) (He does mention the town comprised of two sections)
4) We do not have his sisters' names (I guess in those days women didn't mean much that he failed to mention their names in his diary :-( ) But I know that his
older sister got married and moved to Aznakayevo. So there must be some relatives for sure.
5) His uncle may have stayed in Yakeyevo. I don't have his name.
6) I could provide the copy of his diary where the names are mentioned & circle the names (it's in Arabic script- might be helpful at the registrar's office)
 
My question to you is, based on the above, do you think we could have any chance of finding the records? If so, what do you recommend & what do I need to
provide?
 
Thanking you in advance for your kind help, I send my regards.
Meltem Birkegren
Ft.Lauderdale, Florida, USA

TatianaLGNN
Ìîäåðàòîð ðàçäåëà
ÂÃÄ äàðèò óäî÷êó. Ðûáó ëîâèòü äîëæíû âû ñàìè

TatianaLGNN

Íèæíèé Íîâãîðîä
Ñîîáùåíèé: 25698
Íà ñàéòå ñ 2003 ã.
Ðåéòèíã: 7971
Íå ÿñíà òîëüêî ôàìèëèÿ òóðåöêàÿ èç ïèñüìà.ãîðîä òàêîé åñòü.
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