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"Ïîëòàâùèíà" è åå çàñåëåíèå, ãåíîãåîãðàôè÷åñêèé ïðîåêò

"Ïîëòàâùèíà" êàê ìåñòî ïåðåñåëåíèÿ êîçàêîâ è ïîñïîëèòûõ ñ Ïðàâîáåðåæíîé Óêðàèíû â XVII âåêå

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Äëÿ ó÷àñòèÿ â ãåíîãåîãðàôè÷åñêîì ïðîåêòå "Ïîëòàâùèíà è åå çàñåëåíèå" ïðèãëàøàþòñÿ âñå æåëàþùèå, ÷üè ïðåäêè ïðîèñõîäÿò ñ Ïîëòàâñêîé çåìëè. Ïîä "Ïîëòàâùèíîé" â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ñëåäóåò ïîíèìàòü òåððèòîðèþ Ïîëòàâñêîãî ïîëêà / Ïîëòàâñêîãî óåçäà, êóäà â XVII âåêå, ïî íåêîòîðûì ñâåäåíèÿì, ïåðåñåëÿëèñü êîçàêè è ïîñïîëèòûå Ïðàâîáåðåæíîé Óêðàèíû. Òàêæå îáðàùàþ âíèìàíèå ê ýòîé òåìå òåõ, ÷üè ïðåäêè ìîãóò ïðîèñõîäèòü ñ Áðàöëàâùèíû èëè Ïîäîëüÿ XVII âåêà, à òàêæå òåõ, êòî ñìîã âåðíóòüñÿ íàçàä äîìîé ñ Ïîëòàâùèíû â íà÷àëå XVIII âåêà.

Ñàìî îïðåäåëåíèå "Ïîëòàâùèíà" óæå óïîòðåáëÿëîñü â XVII âåêå, è íàäî ïîëàãàòü, îáîçíà÷àëî òåððèòîðèè âõîäèâøèå â Ïîëòàâñêèé ïîëê (óêð.) èëè óåçä (ðóññê.), êóäà âõîäèëè ñåëåíèÿ âäîëü ñðåäíåãî è íèæíåãî òå÷åíèÿ Âîðñêëû è åå ïðèòîêîâ.

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Ïèñüìî Àðõèìàíäðèòà Êèåâî-Ïå÷åðñêàãî ìîíàñòûðÿ Âàðëààìà ßñèíñêàãî ê ïîëêîâíèêó Ôåäîðó Æó÷åíêè,
â êîòîðîì ïðåäëàãàåò åìó êóïèòü „ â Ïîëòàâùèíè “ ìîíàñòûðñêèÿ èìåíèÿ -

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Îïèñàíèå äîêóìåíòîâ, õðàíèâøèõñÿ â Äèêàíüñêîì àðõèâå êíÿçÿ Ñ. Â. Êî÷óáåÿ (1606 - 1840), 1883ã., ¹1194
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íà ïðîäàííûé åìó, çà 20 òàëåðîâ , ëåñ , ñîñòîÿùèé “ â Ïîëòàâùèíå ïîä Ëîêîùèíîþ “
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Îïèñàíèå äîêóìåíòîâ, õðàíèâøèõñÿ â Äèêàíüñêîì àðõèâå êíÿçÿ Ñ. Â. Êî÷óáåÿ (1606 - 1840), 1883ã., ¹1376
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Íåîáõîäèìî ïîëó÷èòü äîñòàòî÷íóþ ñðàâíèòåëüíóþ áàçó ãàïëîòèïîâ, à òàêæå õàðàêòåðíûõ ãàïëîãðóïï ÄÍÊ è äðóãèõ õàðàêòåðíûõ ãåíåòè÷åñêèõ ïðèçíàêîâ äëÿ ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ ìèãðàöèè æèòåëåé Ïðàâîáåðåæíîé Óêðàèíû íà òåððèòîðèþ Ïîëòàâùèíû.

Óæå ñóùåñòâóåò áîëåå ãëîáàëüíûé ïðîåêò "Ukraine DNA Project" http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ukraine/
Îáñóæäåíèå çäåñü http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

Äëÿ óäîáñòâà àíàëèçà è îáñóæäåíèÿ, ñîçäàí ýòîò ëîêàëüíûé ðåãèîíàëüíûé "Ïîëòàâùèíà è åå çàñåëåíèå"
Family Tree DNA "îäîáðèëî" ïðîåêò http://www.familytreedna.com/public/poltavaregion/


Êëþ÷åâûå ñëîâà

Ïîëòàâñêàÿ çåìëÿ, Ïîëòàâùèíà, Ïîëòàâñêèå ÷åðêàñû, Ëèòîâñêèå ÷åðêàñû, ëèòîâñêèå ëþäè, ñðåäíåå Ïîâîðñêëüå, Pultawa
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Ðîäèëñÿ è âûðîñ íà Ïîëòàâùèíå, âîçëå Íîâûõ Ñàíæàð, êîòîðûå çäåñü áûëè óêàçàíû â ñîñòàâå "Ïîëòàâñüêîãî ïîëêó". Ïðåäêè ïî îáåèì ëèíèÿì, íà ñêîëüêî ÿ ìîãó çíàòü, òîæå æèëè â ýòèõ êðàÿõ. Íî âîò ìíå ïî÷åìó-òî âûêèäûâàåò òàêèå âîò ðåçóëüòàòû. Ñðàâíèâàë ñ ðåçóëüòàòàìè îñòàëüíûõ âûõîäöåâ èç ýòîãî ðåãèîíà - âñå-òàêè îòëè÷àþòñÿ. Ìîæåò êòî-íèáóäü ïîìî÷ü ñ èíòåðïðåòàöèåé? Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðåí!

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.699679
2 Southwest_Russian @ 6.036511
3 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 6.990090
4 Ukrainian @ 7.085822
5 Russian_Smolensk @ 7.485247
6 Belorussian @ 7.624226
7 South_Polish @ 7.861255
8 Lithuanian @ 8.680582
9 Estonian_Polish @ 8.707108
10 Polish @ 8.984310
11 Estonian @ 10.873498
12 Kargopol_Russian @ 12.262479
13 Erzya @ 12.965095
14 Croatian @ 13.158030
15 Moldavian @ 14.082101
16 East_Finnish @ 15.668432
17 Hungarian @ 16.210279
18 Finnish @ 16.557344
19 La_Brana-1 @ 18.569942
20 Southwest_Finnish @ 18.788187

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ukrainian_Belgorod +50% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.733631


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Moldavian +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.158535


Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.158535
2 Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.257001
3 Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.312471
4 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.344279
5 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.349147
6 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.465737
7 Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.466952
8 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 4.491730
9 Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.496441
10 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.627621
11 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.643943
12 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.672253
13 Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.697877
14 Erzya + Lithuanian + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.700562
15 Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.723907
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.733631
17 Erzya + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Moldavian @ 4.747253
18 Lithuanian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.761197
19 Lithuanian + Moldavian + Southwest_Russian + Southwest_Russian @ 4.764646
20 Lithuanian + South_Polish + Ukrainian_Belgorod + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.781174

Ïðèêðåïëåííûé ôàéë: îëä.png
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Äîáðûé äåíü!
Ïðèãëàøàþ Âàñ ïðèñîåäèíèòüñÿ ê ïðîåêòó
https://www.familytreedna.com/...tavaregion

Åñëè òåñò äåëàëè íå â FTDNA, òî ìîæíî èìïîðòèðîâàòü ðåçóëüòàòû áåñïëàòíî, à ïîòîì ïðèñîåäèíèòüñÿ ê ïðîåêòó
https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomal-transfer

Ñåé÷àñ â ïðîåêòå 22 ðåçóëüòàòà "êîðåííûõ", ó êîãî áàáóøêè è äåäóøêè èç îäíîé ïîëòàâñêîé ïîïóëÿöèè
Åñëè Âû åñòü íà Ãåäìàò÷ ÿ ìîã áû çàïóñòèòü Îðàêóë ê êàëüêóëÿòîðó Eurogenes Ê36
Òàì áîëåå ìåíåå ïîñëåäíèå ïîïóëÿöèè èñïîëüçóþòñÿ (ïî ñîñòîÿíèþ íà 2017 ãîä), â òîì ÷èñëå è êîììåð÷åñêèå îáðàçöû âêëþ÷àÿ ïîëòàâñêóþ ïîïóëÿöèþ, êîòîðóþ ÿ ðåäàêòèðóþ ïî ýòèì 22 ÷åëîâåêàì (ïî ñîñòîÿíèþ íà 2020)


Âîò îáðàçåö ïîñëåäíåãî "êîðåííîãî"

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,457994
2 Belarusian_West @ 8,716646
3 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 9,087571
4 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 9,360905
5 PL_average @ 9,654578
6 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 9,769756
7 PL_Mazovia @ 9,909799
8 Russian_Smolensk @ 10,040126
9 Belarusian_East @ 10,166464
10 Russian_Voronezh @ 10,196392
11 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,452927
12 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 10,598871
13 Russian_Oryol @ 10,862329
14 PL_Wielkopolska @ 10,907314
15 Russian_Tambov @ 10,980885
16 Ukrainian_Central @ 11,004659
17 Ukrainian_West @ 11,169155
18 PL_South_Poland @ 11,39348
19 Russian_Center @ 11,407152
20 PL_SE_Carpathia @ 11,692596
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>> Îòâåò íà ñîîáùåíèå ïîëüçîâàòåëÿ borisovichi îò 18 èþíÿ 2020 12:00

Äîáðûé äåíü!
Ïîäñêàæèòå åùå, åñëè ìîæíî. Íå îòíîñèëàñü-ëè ê Ïîëòàâñêîìó ïîëêó â êàêîé-ëèáî ïåðèîä Íåõâîðîùà. Íàøåë òîëüêî ÷òî îíà ôèãóðèðóåò â îïèñàíèè íèçîâîé ïàëàíêè Âîéñêà Çàïîðîæñêîãî èëè ÷òî-òî â ýòîì ðîäå. Ñåé÷àñ ýòî Ïîëòàâñêàÿ îáëàñòü. ×àñòü ïðåäêîâ ïðîèñõîäèò îòòóäà
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Harja

Ñïàñèáî ÷òî ïðèñîåäèíèëèñü!
Èçâèíèòå ñ çàäåðæêîé îòâåòà, õî÷ó ñäåëàòü àíàëèç ñîâïàäåíöåâ è òîãäà íàïèñàòü

Îðàêóë óæå ñäåëàë

Ïî ïîâîäó Íåõâîðîùè òîëüêî õîòåë íàïèñàòü, Âàøà ôàìèëèÿ êàê ðàç òàì âñòðå÷àåòñÿ â 18 âåêå
Íåõâîðîùà ºòî ñîòåííèé öåíòð Ïîëòàâñêîãî ïîëêà

Âû ïèñàëè ÷òî ïî îáåèì ëèíèÿì ïðåäêè îòòóäà, à êàêèå åùå ôàìèëèè?


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Russian_Voronezh @ 7,479993
2 Ukrainian_Chernigov @ 8,081307
3 Belarusian_Polesye @ 8,29155
4 Russian_Oryol @ 8,486652
5 Ukrainian_Poltava @ 8,600109
6 Russian_Smolensk @ 8,626961
7 Russian_Kursk @ 8,630042
8 Belarusian_West @ 8,646631
9 Russian_Ryazan_Tula @ 8,76469
10 Russian_Don_Cossack @ 9,175842
11 Belarusian_East @ 9,594671
12 PL_Podlasie_East_Mazovia @ 9,646586
13 Russian_Center @ 9,665569
14 Russian_Meshtchyora @ 9,804467
15 Ukrainian_Central @ 9,886952
16 PL_Mazovia @ 9,946633
17 PL_average @ 10,083425
18 Russian_Tambov @ 10,415965
19 Russian_Bryansk @ 10,890159
20 Russian_Pskov @ 10,918396
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Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî. Åùå Ãîðáåíêî, Õîìåíêî, Çàáðóäñüêèé è Æàáîòèíñüêèé. Ïåðâûå äâå ôàìèëèè ïî ìàìå. Îáå ëèíèè ïî íåé æèëè â ñåëàõ è õóòîðàõ áëèç Íîâûõ Ñàíæàð (ñ. Âåëèêèå Ñîëîíöû, ñ. Ãàëóùèíà Ãðåáëÿ, ñ. Ìóøèíà Ãðåáëÿ è õóòîð Êëèìåíêè). Íà ñêîëüêî çíàþ, ïî òðåõëèíåéêå 1800-õ íà ýòîé òåððèòîðèè îòîáðàæàåò õóòîðû Áóðäû, Êèáêàëû, Êóñòîëîâñêèé. Åùå ðàíåå íàòûêàëñÿ íà äîêóìåíò 19-ãî âåêà â êîòîðîì ôèãóðèðóåò Õîìåíêîâîå óðî÷èùå
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Harja

Ó Âàñ ñ ó÷àñòíèêàìè ïðîåêòà (307) 5 ñîâïàäåíèé:
Äâîå èç íèõ ñ ïðåäêàìè èç Íîâîñàíæàðñêîãî ðàéîíà, èç Íîâûõ Ñàíæàð è Ìàÿ÷êè

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Ïî ïîâîäó èíòåðïðåòàöèè íå ñëåäóò çàáûâàòü ÷òî ýòî ïðîñòî ìàòåìàòè÷åñêàÿ ìîäåëü âûÿâëåíèÿ "ïîõîæåñòñòè" ñ èçâåñòíûìè ïîïóëÿöèÿìè. Ýòî íå îáÿçàòåëüíî ñîîòâåòñòâóåò ïðîèñõîæäåíèþ

Íàëè÷èå áîëüøîãî êîëè÷åñòâà þæíîðóññêèõ ïîïóëÿöèé âîçìîæíî ìîæåò óêàçûâàòü íà ñîñåäñòâî Íåõâîðîùè (Íîâîñàíæàðñêîãî ð-íà) ñî ñòðîèòåëüñòâîì "Óêðàèíñêîé îáîðîííîé ëèíèè" â 1730-õ ãã è ïåðåñåëåíèåì òóäà îäíîäâîðöåâ èç þæíîðóññêèõ ãîðîäîâ (Òàìáîâ, Îðåë, Âîðîíåæ, Êóðñê, Áðÿíñê èäð)

Êñòàòè, ó Âàñ â ñîâïàäåíöàõ è ñàì àâòîð ïðîåêòà "Óêðàèíñêàÿ ëèíèÿ" Àëåêñàíäð Ðîñëÿêîâ
https://www.ukrainianline.info

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