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Ïðè ïîèñêå ìîèõ îäíîôàìèëüöåâ?/ðîäñòâåííèêîâ? èç Õàðáèíà, óñòàíîâèëà, ÷òî ïîëîâèíà ýòèõ ëþäåé îêàçàëàñü â Êàíàäå, à äðóãàÿ ïîëîâèíà â Áðàçèëèè. Íî åñòü ïðåäïîëîæåíèå, ÷òî âîçìîæíî êòî-òî èç ýòèõ ðîäñòâåííèêîâ â Êàíàäå âûçâàë êîãî-òî (íî íå âñåõ) èç Áðàçèëèè.

À ó Âàñ ìîæåò áûòü íàîáîðîò, ÷òî êòî-òî óåõàë èç Êàíàäû â Áðàçèëèþ.

ENS íàïèñàë:

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Ðàçûñêèâàåòñÿ Êàïèòàíîâ Èâàí Êîíñòàíòèíîâè÷, ðîäèëñÿ 30.05.1897 â äåð.Êîëïèíî Ñìîëåíñêîé ãóáåðíèè.  íîÿáðå 1920, â ñîñòàâå àðìèè Âðàíãåëÿ, ýâàêóèðóåòñÿ â Òóðöèþ.  1925 ãîäó îêàçûâàåòñÿ â ×åõîñëîâàêèè. Ñåìåéíûå ëåãåíäû ãëàñÿò, ÷òî â ïåðèîä ñ 1925 ïî 1940 îí, âìåñòå ñ æåíîé - Êàïèòàíîâîé (Ðóñàêîâîé) Àëåêñàíäðîé Âàñèëüåâíîé, ïåðååçæàåò â Áðàçèëèþ.

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Âû çíàåòå, íåñêîëüêî ðàç ïåðå÷èòûâàëà Âàøå ñîîáùåíèå è òîëüêî ñåãîäíÿ ïîíÿëà, ÷òî ìåíÿ ñìóùàåò, à èìåííî:
Ñïèñêè (÷àñòî äîâîëüíî ïîäðîáíûå) ïàññàæèðîâ (â îñíîâíîì ðóññêèõ) áåç ãðàæäàíñòâà, êîòîðûå ïëûëè ïàðîõîäàìè (ìíîãèå îðãàíèçîâàë Êðàñíûé Êðåñò) è êîòîðûå ïðèíÿëà Áðàçèëèÿ - îíè äîñòóïíû â èíòåðíåòå.
À âîò åñëè îíè ïåðåáðàëèñü â Áðàçèëèþ ïîçæå ñàìîñòîÿòåëüíî, íàïðèìåð, ê ðîäñòâåííèêàì èëè äðóçüÿì, òî èõ è íå ìîæåò áûòü â ýòèõ ñïèñêàõ.

Òóò íóæåí óæå äðóãîé ïîèñê, ò.å. ïîèñê ÷åðåç äðóãèå èñòî÷íèêè, íàïðèìåð, íà÷àòü ñ ×åõîñëîâàêèè.

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Ïî ìîåìó äëÿ âúåçäà â îïðåäåëåííóþ ñòðàíó ñóùåñòâîâàë îïðåäåëåííûé âîçðàñòíîé öåíç.

Óâàæàåìûå ôîðóì÷àíå è ýêñïåðòû â îáëàñòè ãåíåàëîãèè!

Ïðîøó ïîìîùè â ïîèñêàõ ïðåäêîâ ÷åëîâåêà.
Ïî ñîâïàäåíèþ ôðàãìåíòîâ ÄÍÊ íà ñàéòå GEDmatch, ïîêàçàë äàííîãî ÷åëîâåêà êàê äàëüíåãî ðîäñòâåííèêà.
Ïèñàë áåç áîëüøîé íàäåæäû, è áûë óäèâëåí, êîãäà îí îòâåòèë, äà åùå è ïîäòâåðäèë ñâîè ðóññêèå êîðíè.

Ñàì àêòèâíî çàíèìàþñü ïîèñêàìè, âîññòàíîâëåíèåì ñâîåé ðîäîñëîâíîé. Áóäó áëàãîäàðåí ëþáûì ïîäñêàçêàì, íàâîäêàì è ññûëêàì, êîòîðûå ïîìîãóò â ïîèñêàõ.

Òàêæå èíòåðåñóþò ñïèñêè ïàññàæèðîâ ëàéíåðîâ, êîòîðûå ïðèâîçèëè èììèãðàíòîâ èç Ðîññèè èëè Åâðîïû â Óðóãâàé / Áðàçèëèþ.
Âðåìåííîé ïåðèîä 1880-1960.

ÔÈÎ: Roque Luís da Silva

Âîò ÷òî îí ïèøåò:

"I am 61 years old. 1964 My father probably died about 1973. My genetic data is in Myheritage and Genera.
The history I know is that probably my grandfather is from Russia. I don't know his name. I know that the people just called him russian. I am trying through My Heritage, Gedmatch, Family tree and Genera to found any relatives to see if I have information about his history of life and to know about my roots, my ancestrous, etc

In the south of Brazil we have a huge Russian community. I have contañted include some Ortodox Churchs trying to found information. Unfortunately I did not found anything. My history is really crazy because I knew that I was adopted when I was 55 years old. My mom told me that a few days before passed way.

I really want to know who he was, his life story, the difficulties he faced, etc.

I think that my grandfather emigrated from Russia to Uruguay, because in my tree there are some people with the surname Aguirre, it is a Spanish surname. My hypothesis is that my grandfather went to Uruguay and married there, could be my father was also born in Uruguay. I don't know. Some people have informed me that he spoke a mixture between Russian and Spanish. Probably my father had a Russian surname and after some Spanish surname, as usual in Spanish countries, the mother's surname is the last name, different from Brazil where the father's surname is the last name.

I am from South of Brazil. I was born in Canoas, Rio Grande do Sul state. There, we are near Argentina and Uruguay. This is the cold part of Brasil.

That region received inmigrants from Germany, Itály, Rússia, Poland and others from the old called Sovietic Union in that time."


Ìàøèííûé ïåðåâîä íà ðóññêèé:

"Ìíå 61 ãîä. 1964 ãîä, ìîé îòåö, âåðîÿòíî, óìåð îêîëî 1973 ãîäà. Ìîè ãåíåòè÷åñêèå äàííûå ñîäåðæàòñÿ â ðàçäåëå "Ìîå íàñëåäèå è ðîäû".
Èç èñòîðèè ÿ çíàþ, ÷òî, âåðîÿòíî, ìîé äåäóøêà ðîäîì èç Ðîññèè. ß íå çíàþ åãî èìåíè. ß çíàþ, ÷òî ëþäè ïðîñòî íàçûâàëè åãî ðóññêèì. ß ïûòàþñü ÷åðåç ñâîå íàñëåäèå, ðîäîñëîâíóþ, ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîå äðåâî è ðîäû íàéòè êàêèõ-íèáóäü ðîäñòâåííèêîâ, ÷òîáû óçíàòü, åñòü ëè ó ìåíÿ èíôîðìàöèÿ î åãî èñòîðèè æèçíè, à òàêæå î ìîèõ êîðíÿõ, ìîèõ ïðåäêàõ è ò.ä

Íà þãå Áðàçèëèè ó íàñ îãðîìíàÿ ðóññêàÿ îáùèíà. ß ñâÿçàëñÿ ñ íåñêîëüêèìè îðòîäîêñàëüíûìè öåðêâÿìè, ïûòàÿñü íàéòè èíôîðìàöèþ. Ê ñîæàëåíèþ, ÿ íè÷åãî íå íàøåë. Ìîÿ èñòîðèÿ äåéñòâèòåëüíî ñóìàñøåäøàÿ, ïîòîìó ÷òî ÿ çíàë, ÷òî ìåíÿ óäî÷åðèëè, êîãäà ìíå áûëî 55 ëåò. Ìîÿ ìàìà ðàññêàçàëà ìíå çà íåñêîëüêî äíåé äî ñìåðòè.

Ìíå î÷åíü õî÷åòñÿ óçíàòü, êåì îí áûë, èñòîðèþ åãî æèçíè, ñ êàêèìè òðóäíîñòÿìè îí ñòîëêíóëñÿ è ò.ä.

ß äóìàþ, ÷òî ìîé äåä ýìèãðèðîâàë èç Ðîññèè â Óðóãâàé, ïîòîìó ÷òî â ìîåé ðîäîñëîâíîé åñòü íåñêîëüêî ÷åëîâåê ñ ôàìèëèåé Àãèððå, ýòî èñïàíñêàÿ ôàìèëèÿ. Ìîÿ ãèïîòåçà çàêëþ÷àåòñÿ â òîì, ÷òî ìîé äåä óåõàë â Óðóãâàé è æåíèëñÿ òàì, âîçìîæíî, ìîé îòåö òîæå ðîäèëñÿ â Óðóãâàå. ß íå çíàþ. Íåêîòîðûå ëþäè ñîîáùèëè ìíå, ÷òî îí ãîâîðèë íà ñìåñè ðóññêîãî è èñïàíñêîãî ÿçûêîâ. Âåðîÿòíî, ó ìîåãî îòöà áûëà ðóññêàÿ ôàìèëèÿ, è ïîñëå êàêîé-íèáóäü èñïàíñêîé ôàìèëèè, êàê îáû÷íî â èñïàíñêèõ ñòðàíàõ, ôàìèëèÿ ìàòåðè ÿâëÿåòñÿ ôàìèëèåé, â îòëè÷èå îò Áðàçèëèè, ãäå ôàìèëèÿ îòöà ÿâëÿåòñÿ ôàìèëèåé.

ß ñ þãà Áðàçèëèè. ß ðîäèëñÿ â Êàíîàñå, øòàò Ðèó-Ãðàíäè-äó-Ñóë. Çäåñü ìû íàõîäèìñÿ íåäàëåêî îò Àðãåíòèíû è Óðóãâàÿ. Ýòî ñàìàÿ õîëîäíàÿ ÷àñòü Áðàçèëèè.

 òî âðåìÿ ýòîò ðåãèîí ïðèíèìàë èììèãðàíòîâ èç Ãåðìàíèè, Èòàëèè, Ðîññèè, Ïîëüøè è äðóãèõ ñòðàí áûâøåãî Ñîâåòñêîãî Ñîþçà."

Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðåí!

Ðóññêàÿ Æèçíü
Àâãóñò 1978


 Áðàçèëèè ñêîí÷àëèñü

À.Â. Ñåëåíèíîâ
Å. Ìèõàéëîâè÷
Ï.Â. Ïîïîâ
Â. Êî÷åðãèíà
Ì.Ã. Çîëîòàðåâà




1979

Å. Ñòàíåñêó
Ì.Ô. Áåëÿåâà
Ê.Ñ. Áóÿê
À.È. ôîí Ãåø
Ì.È. Øóëüö