Вагнер и Керн из Гларуса / Wagner & Kern from Glarus
Ищу информацию о семье Вагнер из Гларуса (Георгиевка, Марксовский р-н Саратовской обл.)
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3 июля 2013 16:21 3 июля 2013 16:23 Cindy1955That's what my american DNA-"cousin" told me about her search for her ancestors: I'd be happy to help with US Citizenship and Immigration Services. What you need to know is how to address an inquiry to get copies of a person's immigration application, is that correct? If so, it can be done online. It is a multi-step process: - First you will need to do an "Index Search Request" to find out if a file exists for your person. You will need to know his or her name, date of birth, and country of birth. - If a file exists, then you will need to obtain the exact file number (or numbers, if there are more than one) for the person you are interested in. You will probably have to make a request for the number(s) and then wait for it/them to be sent to you by regular mail. - Then you make ANOTHER request, using the exact file number(s) for your immigrant AND your Case ID number (they will assign this you), back on the same website. There is a charge, but you can pay online with a credit card - it's pretty convenient. I think it took about 60 days total for me to receive my grandparents' files. In my case it was definitely worth doing - in the files were photographs, copies of birth certificates, and in my grandfather's case, a document from the hospital where his first wife died stating when she passed away and the details of her illness (I guess he had to prove he was not a polygamist.) It was a lot more than I expected to get! Here is the link to the website: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/si...2ca60aRCRDAnd here is more information about the process: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/si...2ca60aRCRD --- Катерина
Глушак (Брянск.) Ковалев, Федосенко (Могилевск.)
Оглотков (Горбат. у. НГГ) Алькин Жарков Кульдишов Баландин (Симб. губ.)
Клышкин Власенко Сакунов Кучерявенко (Глухов)
Кириченко Бондаренко Белоус Страшный (Новомоск. Днепроп.) | | |
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3 июля 2013 17:03 3 июля 2013 17:08 Cindy1955Cindy1955 написал: [q] I tried to figure out a way to make this easy to understand and do not think I accomplished it.[/q]
It helps a lot. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Here is a copy of email that I send to you with a couple of docs, which are to big to be attached here. Please find a couple of docs, which I found at MyHeritage web-site. I have a subscription and I was able to download it. The information from docs is different (slightly) from what you wrote at VGD.ru forum. I do not know did you use archives in your research but I want to give these docs to you. The docs are from US Census 1930 and 1940. I think Peter Wagner is not your relative, but this person is the closest person with data you gave me. An important question when (approximately) Peter Wagner has returned to Russia. I was not able to find an exact date of Peter's arrival to US. It might help a lot, since his official name could be different from what you think. For example, my ancestors with polish root were living in England about 1915-1930. Their last names (Bujanowki) are very common in Poland, but in docs their last names are written as Bonianovsky. About Peter. With information you gave me I have looked at the database of Stalin's terror victims. Here is: Peter Andrey Wagner, 1878-1838б killed. Andrey is the name of his father but during USSR epoch, it was a normal thing when people change their names in order either to escape from terror or save their own family. To do more, we need more information. Do you have any photos? It was a common in Russia to make notes on photos with dates, places and names. In addition, there could be a sign of a photo company where a photo was created. If you have something like this, it might help you. With best regards, Andrey Maslennikov ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, I would suggest to collect as much information as possible from US archives. I know that they are organized well, especially immigration docs, so most probably you will be able to find an exact dates and so on. All records are not digitized yet so an inquiry to archive may be required. The problem is Russia is that due to stupid communistic government our archives are very poorly organized. This implies that in general you need to know an exact number of a folder in archive and archive as well, to get information what you want to get. --- Уважаемые новички! Пожалуйста, задавайте вопросы на форуме, а не в "Личных сообщениях".
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3 июля 2013 17:25 3 июля 2013 17:28 Andrey Maslennikov написал: [q] Peter Andrey Wagner, 1878-1838б killed. Andrey is the name of his father but during USSR epoch, it was a normal thing when people change their names in order either to escape from terror or save their own family.[/q]
Well, I think Andrey could very well be the Russian version of Heinrich. It would be great to look in his KGB file... Is it possible for foreigners? For my american "cousin" I sent inquiries from here. --- Катерина
Глушак (Брянск.) Ковалев, Федосенко (Могилевск.)
Оглотков (Горбат. у. НГГ) Алькин Жарков Кульдишов Баландин (Симб. губ.)
Клышкин Власенко Сакунов Кучерявенко (Глухов)
Кириченко Бондаренко Белоус Страшный (Новомоск. Днепроп.) | | |
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3 июля 2013 17:39 kbg_dnepr написал: [q] Well, I think Andrey could very well be the Russian version of Heinrich.[/q]
I am not sure, since Heinrich is a common name, well known in Russia. In addition, there are about 5 people with Heinrich as their middle name who were killed. kbg_dnepr написал: [q] It would be great to look in his KGB file... Is it possible for foreigners? For my american "cousin" I sent inquiries from here.[/q]
In this situation it is impossible. It could be possible if a letter will be written in Russian language, if a person will provide all docs, which are proof a direct relationship with a person which profile is requested and if the US Embassy in Moscow will provide some kind of supporting letter. Another way, that might works is that someone from Russia, will send a request asking about a particular repressed person. In this case they will at least answer and provide some general information about a requested person and his family. This is possible. Anyway, since this archive is under the regulations of the Federal Security Service they could decline any access to a particular profile due to secrecy reasons. --- Уважаемые новички! Пожалуйста, задавайте вопросы на форуме, а не в "Личных сообщениях".
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3 июля 2013 23:37 Cindy1955 написал: [q] * My Uncle Clarence Grafenstein's father David Grafenstein was born in Zurich, Russia (I believe this is a settlement close to Glarus on the Volga River). b. 26 Mar 1890 in Zurich d. 18 Apr 1963 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin married to Emilie Lutz b. 02 Oct 1893 in Anders, Russia married 25 December 1912 Christ Hichelman Eben-Aiden Lutheran Church in Zurich, Russia[/q] Cindy1955, Вам известны предки Давида Грефенштейна, рожденные до 1857 года? You are aware of the ancestors of David Grafenstein, which were born until 1857? | | |
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4 июля 2013 3:41 4 июля 2013 3:47 kbg_dnepr написал: [q] kbg_dnepr написал: [Q] Ну, я думаю, что Андрей вполне может быть русской версии Генрих. [/ Q]
Я не уверен, так как Генрих это общее название, хорошо известный в России. Кроме того, насчитывается около 5 человек с Генрихом, как их отчества погибших[/q]
Почти все Генрихи в России , особенно после депортации 1941 года ,стали Андреями! --- Иванов -воспитанник Московского Воспитательного дома, учителя Ярославки,Тастубы,Месягутово,Миасса,Москвы .А также Жаворонковы, Кочушковы, Козьмины ,Масленниковы Златоустовского уезда
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4 июля 2013 4:15 Svetlana:
This is the only information I know. I am interested in hearing from you if you find out anything yourself.
David Grafenstein had a brother named Samuel and his date of birth is 21 January 1888 in Glarus. Their father's name was also Samuel. David Grafenstein immigrated on 6 April 1914 in Baltimore, MD, and he was naturalized on 4 April 1947. The brother Samuel was married to Katherine Papst and immigrated in 1913
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4 июля 2013 7:09 4 июля 2013 7:10 Русификация и трансформация немецких имён в русские Гoтлиб = Бoгдан Вильгельм = Василий Иoганн = Иван Адoльф = Аркадий (пoсле 1950 г.) Якoб = Якoв Иoсиф = Oсип Андреас = Андрей Айгений -я = Евгений -я Адельгайда = Аделаида Секунда = Евгения Каспар = Карп, Карл Геoрг = Егoр Шарлoтта = Шура, Александра Барбара = Варвара Вильгельмина = Мина, Нина Фридрих, Фердинанд, Фриц = Федoр Людвиг = Леoнид Паулина = Пoлина, Павлина Пауль = Павел Ирма = Ирина Леo = Лев Ида = Лида Петер = Петр http://forum.wolgadeutsche.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2620 --- Иванов -воспитанник Московского Воспитательного дома, учителя Ярославки,Тастубы,Месягутово,Миасса,Москвы .А также Жаворонковы, Кочушковы, Козьмины ,Масленниковы Златоустовского уезда
FTDNA 249066. R1a-YP310* YF06830
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4 июля 2013 7:19 воропот написал: [q] Почти все Генрихи в России , особенно после депортации 1941 года ,стали Андреями![/q]
Я такими сведениями не обладаю, если это так, что тот Петр о котором я писал 99% родственник Cindy --- Уважаемые новички! Пожалуйста, задавайте вопросы на форуме, а не в "Личных сообщениях".
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4 июля 2013 7:27 --- Иванов -воспитанник Московского Воспитательного дома, учителя Ярославки,Тастубы,Месягутово,Миасса,Москвы .А также Жаворонковы, Кочушковы, Козьмины ,Масленниковы Златоустовского уезда
FTDNA 249066. R1a-YP310* YF06830
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