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10 ìàðòà 2014 9:25 Îò 23èß: Out Of The Ashes Published by ScottH under 23andMe Customer Stories, Ancestry The ashes of the Holocaust left very little for Peter Istvan Kovacs to sift through in his search for his ancestors. OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA There were very few Hungarian Jews who survived the war and exterminations. Among those murdered was Peter’s great grandfather, beaten to death in 1941 for refusing to convert to Christianity. Also lost to extermination camps and violence were innumerable relatives, he said. “My grandmother had 11 brothers and sisters, and they all had many children,” he said. “We were a big family once.” That family is gone now. “I didn’t have any siblings and thought I had only two real cousins,” said Peter, who is a college student with an interested in anthropology and genetics. “We’re not a big family anymore.” Wanting to know more about his ancestors Peter decided to get tested with 23andMe. He was interested in his ancestry and there just wasn’t anyone to ask. “I’m interested in my roots,” he said. Peter had heard about 23andMe and thought he might learn more about his ancestors. On both his father’s and his mother’s side of the family, the war and Holocaust left very few survivors. It was much the same for all the Jews of Hungary, where the number of Jews before the war totaled about 6 percent of the country’s total population. After the war number of Jews there only amounted to about .1 percent of the total population. For many people like Peter, who lost ancestors in the Holocaust it’s very difficult to piece together their family’s past. Over the years organizations have formed to help both survivors and their descendants piece together those missing pieces of their family history. Those are important resources, but Peter also wanted to make connections using 23andMe. “The day when I got my results has become a very important event for my life,” he said. “I just got a “family” back. At least that’s how I feel now and I’m so happy.” He learned more about his ancestry, which includes both Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jewish roots. And he found more than 1,000 23andMe DNA Relative matches — third and fourth cousins. More recently Peter found second cousins and one first cousin, using 23andMe. Those connections helped him find whole branches of his family that he didn’t know still existed. He was able to connect with many of his closest connections, learning that some of his relatives had escaped Hungary before and after the war, and immigrated to both Israel and the United States. “They are very nice,” Peter said. “ Seeing their success and meeting them gives me a new hope in life. And me who never had any siblings, now has so many cousins.” He also learned that one of his great grandfathers on his father’s side, Henrik Rosenblüth, survived the death camps. Those relatives were able to fill him in on family history he would never have learned otherwise. “It makes my heart warm. They survived,” Peter said. ” I really cannot express my feelings, but it’s just beautiful.” http://blog.23andme.com/23andm...the-ashes/ --- Äíåâíèê http://forum.vgd.ru/931/ | | |
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12 ìàðòà 2014 15:35 Íàñêîëüêî íà䏿íî ìåäèöèíñêîå ñåêâåíèðîâàíèå ÄÍÊ? Ñóùåñòâóþùèå òåõíîëîãèè ïîëíîãåíîìíîãî ñèêâåíñà ÄÍÊ ïðè âñ¸ì ñâî¸ì ñîâåðøåíñòâå âñ¸ æå íåäîñòàòî÷íî òî÷íî ïðî÷èòûâàþò íåêîòîðûå ãåíû, êîòîðûå ìîãóò èìåòü îòíîøåíèå ê òîìó èëè èíîìó çàáîëåâàíèþ. Àíàëèç ÄÍÊ ìîæåò ìíîãî ðàññêàçàòü î òîì, êàêèå áîëåçíè ãðîçÿò ÷åëîâåêó. Ïóñòü è íå âñå âîçìîæíûå ìóòàöèè èçâåñòíû è èçó÷åíû, ó íàñ âñ¸ æå äîñòàòî÷íî çíàíèé, ÷òîáû îöåíèòü ðèñê òîãî èëè èíîãî âèäà çëîêà÷åñòâåííîé îïóõîëè èëè, ñêàæåì, äèàáåòà. Êîíå÷íî, ïðîÿâëåíèå ìóòàöèè çàâèñèò îò âíåøíèõ ôàêòîðîâ, îäíàêî âðÿä ëè êòî-òî áóäåò ñïîðèòü ñ òåì, ÷òî ãåíåòè÷åñêèé äåôåêò ïðè ïðî÷èõ ðàâíûõ óñëîâèÿõ âñ¸-òàêè ïîâûøàåò âåðîÿòíîñòü áîëåçíè. Íî ÷òîáû íàéòè ìóòàöèþ, ÄÍÊ íóæíî ñåêâåíèðîâàòü, ïðî÷èòàòü ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòü íóêëåîòèäîâ â íåé. Òî åñòü íàì íóæåí ìåòîä àíàëèçà, ñ ïîìîùüþ êîòîðîãî ìû ñìîãëè áû ðàçîáðàòü ÄÍÊ íà áóêâû è óçíàòü, êàêèå áóêâû îêàçàëèñü ìóòèðîâàííûìè. Ìåòîäîâ ñèêâåíñà ìíîãî, è ñîâåðøåíñòâóþòñÿ îíè ñ ãîëîâîêðóæèòåëüíîé áûñòðîòîé. Åù¸ áû, âåäü îãðîìíàÿ ÷àñòü íàó÷íûõ ðàáîò íà÷èíàåòñÿ ñ âûÿñíåíèÿ ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè ÄÍÊ, è íóæíî ýòî íå òîëüêî â ìîëåêóëÿðíî-áèîëîãè÷åñêèõ îáëàñòÿõ, íî è ïðè ðåøåíèè êàêèõ-íèáóäü ýâîëþöèîííî-çîîëîãè÷åñêèõ ïðîáëåì. È ýòî íå ãîâîðÿ óæå î ìåäèöèíñêèõ ïîòðåáíîñòÿõ. Íî ìåòîä ñåêâåíèðîâàíèÿ ÄÍÊ äàë¸ê îò ñîâåðøåíñòâà — òî åñòü, ïðîùå ãîâîðÿ, ó íåãî åñòü êàêîé-òî ïðîöåíò áðàêà, îøèáîê â ÷òåíèè ÄÍÊ. È â äàííîì ñëó÷àå ïîä «ìåòîäîì ñåêâåíèðîâàíèÿ» ìû ïîíèìàåì âñå ñîâðåìåííûå åãî âàðèàíòû; ñðåäè íèõ åñòü ïîõóæå, åñòü ïîëó÷øå, íî èäåàëüíîé 100-ïðîöåíòíîé òî÷íîñòè îíè íå äàþò. Òóò, âïðî÷åì, ñòîèò çàäóìàòüñÿ, òàê ëè óæ êðèòè÷íà äëÿ íàñ ýòà òî÷íîñòü? Þýí Ýøëè (Euan A. Ashley) è Òîìàñ Êâåðòåðìîñ (Thomas Quertermous) èç Öåíòðà íàñëåäñòâåííûõ ñåðäå÷íî-ñîñóäèñòûõ áîëåçíåé ïðè Ñòýíôîðäñêîì óíèâåðñèòåòå (ÑØÀ) âìåñòå ñ êîëëåãàìè ðåøèëè ïðîâåðèòü, íàñêîëüêî ïîëíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ îá îïàñíûõ ìóòàöèÿõ äàäóò äâå ìàøèíû äëÿ ñèêâåíñà ÄÍÊ — ïðîèçâîäñòâà Illumina è Complete Genomics (îáå — ÑØÀ).  èññëåäîâàíèè ó÷àñòâîâàëè 12 çäîðîâûõ ëþäåé, áåç êàêèõ-ëèáî ïðèçíàêîâ ãåíåòè÷åñêèõ çàáîëåâàíèé. Îäíàêî èõ ÄÍÊ âñ¸ æå íåñëè â ñåáå íåõîðîøèå ìóòàöèè, ÷èñëîì îò äâóõ äî øåñòè; áîëåå òîãî, ó îäíîé æåíùèíû íàøëè ìóòàöèþ â ãåíå BRCA1, êîòîðûé òåñíî ñâÿçàí ñ îïóõîëÿìè ÿè÷íèêîâ èëè ìîëî÷íûõ æåë¸ç. Õîòÿ èñïûòóåìûå áûëè çäîðîâû, îñâåäîìë¸ííîñòü î íåïîëàäêàõ â ñîáñòâåííîé ÄÍÊ ìîãëà áû ïîìî÷ü èì òàê îðãàíèçîâàòü ñâîþ æèçíü, ÷òîáû íå ïðîâîöèðîâàòü ìóòàöèè, óìåíüøèòü âåðîÿòíîñòü ñðàáàòûâàíèÿ ýòèõ ãåíåòè÷åñêèõ «ìèí». Ýòè ðåçóëüòàòû, áåññïîðíî, ãîâîðèëè â ïîëüçó ìåòîäà (òî÷íåå, äâóõ åãî âàðèàíòîâ, ïðåäñòàâëåííûõ ðàçíûìè òåõíîëîãè÷åñêèìè ðåøåíèÿìè). Îäíàêî, êàê ïèøóò èññëåäîâàòåëè â Journal of the American Medical Association, îò 10 äî 19% ãåíîâ, ñâÿçàííûõ ñ áîëåçíÿìè, ïðî÷èòûâàëèñü îáîèìè àãðåãàòàìè íåóäîâëåòâîðèòåëüíî. À ýòî çíà÷èò, ÷òî ìóòàöèè â íèõ ìîãóò óñêîëüçíóòü îò âíèìàíèÿ ìåäèêîâ. Êðîìå òîãî, ýòè äâà âàðèàíòà ñèêâåíñà ÷àñòî íå ñõîäèëèñü ìåæäó ñîáîé â îòíîøåíèè îñîáî îïàñíûõ ìóòàöèé, êîãäà â ãåí, ñâÿçàííûé ñ áîëåçíüþ, âíîñèòñÿ âñòàâêà, èëè, íàîáîðîò, êîãäà îí òåðÿåò ôðàãìåíò ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè. Òóò ñòîèò çàìåòèòü, ÷òî ïîëíîãåíîìíîå ñåêâåíèðîâàíèå, êîãäà ïðî÷èòûâàåòñÿ è àíàëèçèðóåòñÿ ñ îäèíàêîâûì òùàíèåì àáñîëþòíî âñÿ ÄÍÊ, â ñîâðåìåííîé ìåäèöèíå ïîêà ÷òî ïðèìåíÿåòñÿ íå î÷åíü øèðîêî; îáû÷íî àíàëèçó ïîäâåðãàþòñÿ ëèøü òå ãåíû, êîòîðûå âûçûâàþò îñîáîå ïîäîçðåíèå â ñâÿçè ñ êàêèìè-òî ñèìïòîìàìè. Ãåíîìíûé àíàëèç, áåññïîðíî, ìîã áû ñòàòü áîëüøèì ïîäñïîðüåì â ìåäèöèíå, îäíàêî òóò åñòü íåñêîëüêî ïðîáëåì, îäíà èç êîòîðûõ — ïîêà åù¸ íåäîñòàòî÷íàÿ äåøåâèçíà è äîñòóïíîñòü òàêèõ ñèñòåì, à âòîðàÿ — òî, î ÷¸ì ìû òîëüêî ÷òî ãîâîðèëè, òî åñòü âñ¸ åù¸ íå âïîëíå èäåàëüíàÿ òî÷íîñòü. Âïðî÷åì, ñòîèò íàäåÿòüñÿ, ÷òî òî÷íîñòü â ñêîðîì âðåìåíè «äîòÿíóò» äî íóæíîãî óðîâíÿ: âñ¸-òàêè ñäåëàííàÿ çàãîäÿ ïîëíàÿ ãåíåòè÷åñêàÿ êàðòà ñî âñåìè ãåíåòè÷åñêèìè ðèñêàìè ñèëüíî ïîìîãëà áû è âðà÷àì, è èõ ïîòåíöèàëüíûì ïàöèåíòàì. http://compulenta.computerra.ru/chelovek/meditsina/10011950/http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1840236 --- Äíåâíèê http://forum.vgd.ru/931/ | | |
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20 ìàðòà 2014 7:39 Îæèðåíèå çàïóòàëîñü â ãåíàõ  íåêîäèðóþùèõ îáëàñòÿõ ÄÍÊ ãåíà îæèðåíèÿ íàéäåíû ðåãóëÿòîðíûå ïîñëåäîâàòåëüíîñòè, óïðàâëÿþùèå àêòèâíîñòüþ äðóãîãî ãåíà, êîòîðûé ðàñïîëàãàåòñÿ äîâîëüíî äàëåêî îò ïåðâîãî è êîòîðûé òîæå ñâÿçàí ñ îæèðåíèåì.  2007 ãîäó â íåêîåì ãåíå îáíàðóæèëèñü ìóòàöèè, êîòîðûå ÿâíî áûëè ñâÿçàíû ñ îæèðåíèåì è äèàáåòîì âòîðîãî òèïà. Ãåí íàçâàëè FTO (fat mass and obesity-associated protein). Äàëüíåéøèå èññëåäîâàíèÿ, â òîì ÷èñëå ýêñïåðèìåíòû íà ìûøàõ, ïîäòâåðäèëè, ÷òî îí âëèÿåò íà ìàññó òåëà, è ñ òåõ ïîð åãî ñòàëè ñ÷èòàòü åäâà ëè íå ãëàâíûì ãåíîì îæèðåíèÿ. Äîëãîå âðåìÿ ñâÿçü ìåæäó ìóòàöèÿìè â FTO è îæèðåíèåì îñòàâàëàñü ÷èñòî ñòàòèñòè÷åñêîé, îäíàêî íåäàâíî óäàëîñü âûÿñíèòü (õîòÿ áû îò÷àñòè), êàêîé ìåõàíèçì ñâÿçûâàåò îäíî ñ äðóãèì. Îäíàêî, íåñìîòðÿ íà îáøèðíûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ, ïîñâÿù¸ííûå FTO, íåêîòîðûå ñòðàííîñòè ïðîäîëæàëè ñìóùàòü ó÷¸íûõ. Íàïðèìåð, ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî îæèðåíèå âîçíèêàåò èç-çà ÷ðåçìåðíîé àêòèâíîñòè ýòîãî ãåíà èëè æå åãî ïîëíîãî îòñóòñòâèÿ, íî ïðè ýòîì ìàëî êîìó óäàâàëîñü óâèäåòü, ÷òîáû ñâÿçàííûå ñ îæèðåíèåì ìóòàöèè âûçûâàëè èçìåíåíèÿ â àêòèâíîñòè FTO. Ýòè ìóòàöèè ïðèõîäèëèñü íà èíòðîííûå ó÷àñòêè â ãåíå, êîòîðûå íå ìîãëè âëèÿòü íà èíòåíñèâíîñòü ñèíòåçà ìÐÍÊ è êîòîðûå ïîòîì âûðåçàëèñü èç ìÐÍÊ ïðè å¸ ñîçðåâàíèè, íå âíîñÿ íè÷åãî â ãîòîâûé áåëîê. È âñ¸ æå ýòè ìóòàöèè òîæå ÿâíî èìåëè îòíîøåíèå ê îæèðåíèþ. http://compulenta.computerra.ru/chelovek/meditsina/10011977/ --- Äíåâíèê http://forum.vgd.ru/931/ | | |
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27 ìàðòà 2014 19:37 Íîâûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî Ýëâèñ Ïðåñëè ñ äåòñòâà áûë ñìåðòåëüíî áîëåí
25.03.2014
Ìíîãèå ïîêëîííèêè Ýëâèñà Ïðåñëè âèíÿò â ñìåðòè ìóçûêàíòà âðà÷åé, êîòîðûå ÿêîáû çàñòàâëÿëè åãî ïðèíèìàòü ñèëüíîäåéñòâóþùèå ïðåïàðàòû â áîëüøèõ êîëè÷åñòâàõ. Íîâûå èññëåäîâàíèÿ ÄÍÊ ïîêîéíîãî êîðîëÿ ðîê-í-ðîëà ïîêàçàëè, ÷òî Ýëâèñ ñ äåòñòâà ñòðàäàë ñìåðòåëüíûì çàáîëåâàíèåì, ñîîáùàåò Mirror. Ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî ïðè÷èíîé ñìåðòè Ýëâèñà ñòàëè ïåðååäàíèå è ïåðåäîçèðîâêà íàðêîòèêàìè. Îäíàêî, ïî ïîñëåäíèì äàííûì, ìóçûêàíò ÷óòü ëè íå ñ ðîæäåíèÿ ñòðàäàë îò ãåíåòè÷åñêîãî çàáîëåâàíèÿ ñåðäå÷íîé ìûøöû — ãèïåðòðîôè÷åñêîé êàðäèîìèîïàòèè. Îò ýòîãî íåäóãà, â ÷àñòíîñòè, ñêîí÷àëèñü âåíãåðñêèé ôóòáîëèñò Ìèêëîø Ôåõåð è àìåðèêàíñêèé àòëåò Äæåññè Ìàðóíäå. Äëÿ èññëåäîâàíèÿ ó÷åíûå âçÿëè îáðàçåö ÄÍÊ èç âîëîñà ïîêîéíîãî èñïîëíèòåëÿ. Âîëîñ èì çà 2 òûñÿ÷è äîëëàðîâ ïðîäàë ÷åëîâåê, êîòîðûé äðóæèë ñ ïàðèêìàõåðîì Ýëâèñà. "Ñ÷èòàåòñÿ, ÷òî â ñìåðòè Ïðåñëè âèíîâàòû åãî âðà÷è è, êîíå÷íî, ñàì ìóçûêàíò, òàê êàê â êàêîé-òî ìîìåíò îí ïåðåñòàë îãðàíè÷èâàòü ñåáÿ â åäå. Ýòè îáñòîÿòåëüñòâà, áåçóñëîâíî, ñûãðàëè ñâîþ ðîëü â ñóäüáå Ýëâèñà, îäíàêî, ñóäÿ ïî ïîñëåäíèì àíàëèçàì, îí áûë îáðå÷åí ñ äåòñòâà. "Êîðîëü ðîê-í-ðîëëà äîëæåí áûë óìåðåòü ìîëîäûì", — çàÿâèë ãëàâà èññëåäîâàòåëüñêîé ãðóïïû Ìàðê Ýâàíñ. Ó÷åíûé íå ñîìíåâàåòñÿ, ÷òî âîëîñ, íà îñíîâàíèè êîòîðîãî îí ñäåëàë òàêîé âûâîä, ïðèíàäëåæàë èìåííî Ýëâèñó. Ïî ñëîâàì Ýâàíñà, åñëè áû ðàáîòàâøèå ñ èñïîëíèòåëåì âðà÷è çíàëè, ÷òî òîò ïîäâåðæåí ñåðäå÷íîìó íåäóãó, îíè áû èçìåíèëè åãî äèåòó, è òîãäà, âîçìîæíî, ëåãåíäàðíûé èñïîëíèòåëü áûë áû äî ñèõ ïîð æèâ. Ïðåäñòàâèòåëè èññëåäîâàòåëüñêîé ãðóïïû ïûòàëèñü ñâÿçàòüñÿ ñ äî÷åðüþ êîðîëÿ ðîê-í-ðîëëà Ëèçîé-Ìàðè Ïðåñëè, îäíàêî òà îêàçàëàñü íåäîñòóïíà äëÿ ðàçãîâîðà. Ýëâèñ Ïðåñëè óìåð â ñîáñòâåííîé âàííîé 16 àâãóñòà 1977 ãîäà íà 43-ì ãîäó æèçíè. Ìíîãèå ïîäðîáíîñòè åãî ñìåðòè äî ñèõ ïîð íå îáíàðîäîâàíû. Èçâåñòíî ëèøü, ÷òî ìóçûêàíò ñòðàäàë îò ïîâûøåííîãî êðîâÿíîãî äàâëåíèÿ, ðàñøèðåíèÿ òîëñòîé êèøêè è ïîâðåæäåíèÿ ïå÷åíè. --- Ïëàòíûì ïîèñêîì íå çàíèìàþñü.  ëè÷êå ÍÅ êîíñóëüòèðóþ. Çàäàâàéòå, ïîæ-ñòà, âîïðîñû â ñîîòâåòñòâóþùèõ òåìàõ, âàì òàì îòâåòßÒ.
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2 àïðåëÿ 2014 13:45 Åâðîïåéöû ìîãëè ïîçàèìñòâîâàòü æèð ó íåàíäåðòàëüöåâ Òî÷íåå, íå ñàì æèð, à âàðèàíòû ãåíîâ, êîòîðûå îòâå÷àþò çà ìåòàáîëèçì æèðîâ â ìîçãå è âî âñ¸ì îñòàëüíîì îðãàíèçìå. Ó íåàíäåðòàëüöåâ è ñîâðåìåííûõ åâðîïåéöåâ åñòü êîå-÷òî îáùåå, à èìåííî æèð. Íîâûé ãåíåòè÷åñêèé àíàëèç ïîêàçàë, ÷òî íàøè ìóñêóëèñòûå áðàòüÿ îáëàäàëè íåêîòîðûì êîëè÷åñòâîì ãåíîâ, âîâëå÷¸ííûõ â ñîçäàíèå îïðåäåë¸ííûõ ðàçíîâèäíîñòåé æèðà â ìîçãå è äðóãèõ òêàíÿõ. Àíàëîãè÷íûé ïðèçíàê íàáëþäàåòñÿ ó åâðîïåéöåâ, à ó àçèàòîâ îòñóòñòâóåò. Ïîñêîëüêó äâå òðåòè íàøåãî ìîçãà — ýòî æèðíûå êèñëîòû (ëèïèäû), ðàçëè÷èÿ â ñîñòàâå æèðîâ ìåæäó åâðîïåéöàìè è àçèàòàìè ìîãóò èìåòü ôóíêöèîíàëüíûå ïîñëåäñòâèÿ, êàñàþùèåñÿ, íàïðèìåð, àäàïòàöèè ê õîëîäíîìó êëèìàòó èëè ïðåäðàñïîëîæåííîñòè ê ìåòàáîëè÷åñêèì çàáîëåâàíèÿì. «Âïåðâûå îáíàðóæåíû ðàçëè÷èÿ â êîíöåíòðàöèÿõ ëèïèäîâ ìåæäó ïîïóëÿöèÿìè, — ïîä÷¸ðêèâàåò âåäóùèé àâòîð èññëåäîâàíèÿ ýâîëþöèîííûé áèîëîã Ôèëèïï Õàéòîâè÷ èç Èíñòèòóòà ýâîëþöèîííîé àíòðîïîëîãèè Îáùåñòâà èì. Ìàêñà Ïëàíêà (ÔÐÃ) è Ïàðòí¸ðñêîãî èíñòèòóòà âû÷èñëèòåëüíîé áèîëîãèè Êèòàéñêîé àêàäåìèè íàóê è Îáùåñòâà èì. Ìàêñà Ïëàíêà (ÊÍÐ). — È ïðè÷èíîé òîìó ìîãëà ïîñëóæèòü íåàíäåðòàëüñêàÿ ÄÍÊ». http://compulenta.computerra.r.../10012333/http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2...s4584.html --- Äíåâíèê http://forum.vgd.ru/931/ | | |
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3 àïðåëÿ 2014 18:14 --- Äíåâíèê http://forum.vgd.ru/931/ | | |
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7 àïðåëÿ 2014 14:50 ïåíåëîïà íàïèñàë: [q] [/q]
Ìíå èíòåðåñíî ïî÷åìó ÷åëîâåê íàó÷íûé çàõîäèò ê ðåøåíèþ ïðîáëåìû äîëãîæèòåëüñòâà (èçâèíèòå) ñ çàäíåãî ïðîõîäà. Âåäü ÿñíî, ÷òî àáñîëþòíîå áîëüøèíñòâî ëþäåé íå óñòðàèâàåò íàëè÷èå áîëåçíåé, à íå îòñóòñòâèå áåñêîíå÷íî (èëè îîî÷åíü äëèííîé) æèçíè. Íà õðåí ïðîäëÿòü æèçíü ìûøàì (ëþäÿì), åñëè ýòà æèçíü èõ íå óñòðàèâàåò. Äàâàéòå íàïðàâèì íàøè óñèëèÿ íà ðåøåíèå çàäà÷ çäîðîâüÿ. Ñîãëàñåí, ñëåäóþùèì øàãîì ìîæåò ñòàòü ïðîáëåìà äîëãîæèòåëüñòâà. Çà÷åì ðàíî óìèðàòü, åñëè òû è òàê çäîðîâ êàê ëîñü? Íî âåäü çà÷åì òî åñòü ñìåðòü. Îíà åñòü êàê ðàöèîíàëüíûé îòâåò íà æèçíü. Åñëè ëþäè ïåðåñòàíóò óìèðàòü â çàïðîãðàììèðîâàíîå èõ ãåíàìè âðåìÿ, òî è ïåðåñòàíóò ðîæäàòüñÿ íîâûå ëþäè (äà, äà, òà ñàìàÿ äåìîãðàôè÷åñêàÿ ïðîáëåìà), ïîòîìó ÷òî íûíå æèâóùåå ïîêîëåíèå ïîãëàùàåò ðåñóðñû áóäóùèõ ïîêîëåíèé. Ìíå îòâåòÿò, íî âåäü ëþäè è òàê óæå æèâóò äîëüøå, à áóäóò æèòü è åùå äîëüøå. À ÿ îòâå÷ó: à ýòî íå ïðîáëåìà ñàìà ïî ñåáå, åñëè öåëüþ âàøåé æèçíè ñòàíîâèòüñÿ íå ïîòðåáëåíèå ðåñóðñîâ, à ðàçâèòèå âàøåãî ìîçãà (à ñòàëî áûòü è ñîçíàíèÿ, õîòÿ è íå ó âñåõ). Ðîäèëèñü ìû âåäü íå äëÿ òîãî ÷òîáû òîëüêî êóøàòü (õî÷åòñÿ íà ýòî íàäåÿòüñÿ, ìíå ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå). Òàê ìîæåò çàéìåìñÿ â íàóêå íå ïðîäëåíèåì è áåç òîãî íèê÷åìíîé æèçíè, à ïåðåñìîòðîì ýòîé íèê÷åìíîé æèçíè? Ñ óâàæåíèåì, Ñòðåëüíèêîâ Ãåðìàí À. --- http://molokans.ru http://strelnikovs.ru | | |
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7 àïðåëÿ 2014 15:04 7 àïðåëÿ 2014 15:05 Strelnikov German íàïèñàë: [q] Òàê ìîæåò çàéìåìñÿ â íàóêå íå ïðîäëåíèåì è áåç òîãî íèê÷åìíîé æèçíè, à ïåðåñìîòðîì ýòîé íèê÷åìíîé æèçíè?[/q]
Íàóêà ðàáîòàåò âî âñåõ íàïðàâëåíèÿõ, äðóãîå äåëî ïðàêòè÷åñêàÿ ðåàëèçàöèÿ äîñòèæåíèé íàóêè. Çäåñü âîïðîñ â îáóñòðîéñòâå îáùåñòâà, ðåàëèçàöèè ñîöèàëüíûõ ïðîòèâîðå÷èé. | | |
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