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Where oh where did my family come from / go to?

Finding information about grandfather

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walterg74
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Hello everyone,

I am trying to find out information about my grandfather.

I live in argentina, and he came here as a young man. His last name does not sound Russian at all, it is more German sounding, but I do not know if that is just the origin, or if his family moved from Germany to Russia, or if they were actually born im Russia.

I do not have (yet) any original documents, and on the argentina documents I found so far it says:

- His name on Argentinian documents is written as "Weyner, Alejandro"
- His name on the arrival record is written as "Wejner, Alexandre"

- On his marriage certificate, it state the birth place was Minsk (01/01/1905)

- On all documents it states parents were "Wolf Weyner (or Wejner) and Sofia Iskaldska (cannot find anyone with this name anywhere searching the Internet), and states both are/were Russian

- On his marriage certificate, and on the death certificate, for citizenship it says "Russian"
- On a record of landing where it says when he came by boat, citizenship says "Polish"

- He came on May 26, 1923
- He was born on Jan 1st, 1905

Any help on how/where I might be able to find information regarding his birth, roamings,etc would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

Edit: I understand that since he came in 1923 and Poland re-formed in 1920, that he may have been in previously Russian land and then given polish citizenship between then and when he came to my country, and that's why on the record of landing it says "polish".
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Hi walterg74!

Both names Weyner or Wejner sound the same in Russian – Вейнер. The WWI database contains several people with this surname from the Minsk province: https://clck.ru/Rk4gg

You can find Weyners from Minsk city on social networks, e.g. https://vk.com/id529295366

It should be noted that the surname Weyner has not Germanic, but Jewish roots. German and Yiddish are consonant. All Weyners from the WWI database have typical Jewish names and patronymics.
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walterg74
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Thank you, I will take a look. Yes, they were of jewish origin, so Yiddish sounds about right. I am not sure about his family though, the story goes they were all murdered, and some lawyer helped him escape, not sure if to to my country or somewhere intermediate before he came here.
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https://www.myheritage.com/res...dro+Weyner


Имя Reinaldo Wayner
Пол мужчина
Рождение 25 окт 1939
Buenos Aires
Семейное положение Холостой / незамужем
Иммиграция 1962
Rio De Janeiro, Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
Национальность Argentina
Отец Alejandro Weyner
Мать Clara Socha
Путешествует с детьми No
Цифровой номер папки 004912500
Номер изображения 00082

Прикрепленный файл: dist.jpg
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Евангел Иванович Иванов и Александра Ивановна Иванова! Савон -х. Краснодаровский. Галина и Раиса Абран из г. Златоуст.
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Town Bobruysk, gubernia Minsk.

VAYNER Rafal Vulf Head of household M 43-51

VAYNER Leyba Vulf brother M 38-46

VAYNER Berka Leyba nephew M 16-23

VAYNER Borukh Vulf brother M 33-died 1855

VAYNER Leyba Borukh nephew M 8- died 1854

VAYNER Khaim Borukh nephew M 4-12

VAYNER Khaya Gdal wife F 50

VAYNER Elka Rafal Daughter F 17

VAYNER Feyga Movsha Leyba's wife F 46

VAYNER Rivka Leyba - F 13

VAYNER Estra Aron Berka's wife F 23


15 July 1858 Page 39v, Registration number 62 Revision lists - petty bourgeois NHABMinsk/333/9/1072
Belarus Revision Lists
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgdetail_2.php
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Евангел Иванович Иванов и Александра Ивановна Иванова! Савон -х. Краснодаровский. Галина и Раиса Абран из г. Златоуст.
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Town Mir, gubernia Minsk.


VAYNER Vol'f Yelya Head of household M 33

VAYNER Sora Rubin wife F 37

VAYNER Doba Vol'f Daughter F 9

26 May 1858 revision lists - petty bourgeois NHABMinsk/333/9/1102 Page 626, Reg. numb. 157\209.
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Town Mir, gubernia Minsk.

VINER Itsko Vol'f Head of household M 35
VINER Leyb-Kopel Vol'f brother M 25-33
VINER Tsal'ko Girsh - M 23-31
VINER Munya-Sora - wife of brother F 30
VINER Itka Movsha - F 30 wife of Tsal'ko
VINER Girsh Itsko Son M 7-15
LEROVISCH Leybo Fayvel - M 30
VINER Efraim Abram nephew M 15

26 May 1858NHABMinsk/333/9/1102

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgdetail_2.php
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Евангел Иванович Иванов и Александра Ивановна Иванова! Савон -х. Краснодаровский. Галина и Раиса Абран из г. Златоуст.
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Town Mir, gubernia Minsk.

VINER Elya Govsey Head of household M 29 45

VINER Volf Elya Son M newborn 17

VINER Khaim Elya Son M newborn 13

VINER Nakhama Elya Daughter F 4

VINER Eshka - Wife F 30


20 April 1834 Revision List NHABMinsk/333/9/334 Page 273v.
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Town Mir, gubernia Minsk.

VINER Peysakh Movsha Head of household M 43 - 50
VINER Volf Peysakh Son M 10 1821 died
VINER Girsh Peysakh Son M newborn 16
VINER Freyda - - F 16 Girsha's wife
VINER Minka - Wife F 46
VINER Khaya Peysakh Daughter F 10

20 April 1834 Revision List NHABMinsk/333/9/334 Page 283v/

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgdetail_2.php

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https://www.jewishgen.org/jgff/jgffform.php



Here is the list of researchers from all over the world organized by last name\town in Belarus. . You can contact them.
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https://www.myheritage.com/


Search for Iskoldski last name.
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Birth record for:
VAYNER, Khaim
Father Vulf

15/6/1861
19 Tamuz

NHABMinsk/1226/2/21
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgdetail_2.php

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Town Mir, gubernia Minsk.

VINER Volf Yankel Head of Household M was missed 45
VINER Khana - Wife F 44
VINER Tsipa Volf Daughter F 18
VINER Musha Volf Daughter F 16
VINER Sora Volf Daughter F 14
VINER Gitel Volf Daughter F 10
VINER Sheyna Dvora Volf Daughter F 5
VINER Shevel Pinkhus Volf Son M 9

3 November 1874 Additional Revision Lists NHABMinsk/333/9/843 Page 985v

https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgdetail_2.php

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Town Mir.

VINER Khaim Leyzer Volf Head of Household M was missed 35
VINER Khana - Wife F 32

25 August 1874 Additional Revision Lists NHABMinsk/333/9/843
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgdetail_2.php
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Town Bobruysk, Gubernia Minsk.

VAYNER Rafal Vul'f Head of household M 27 - 43
VAYNER Leyba Vul'f brother M 29 - 38 -
VAYNER Sora Srol' wife of Rafal F 42
VAYNER Khaya Rafal Daughter F 18
VAYNER El'ka Rafal Daughter F 9
VAYNER Sprintsa Rafal Daughter F 2
VAYNER Feyga Movsha wife of Leiba F 36
VAYNER Rivka Leyba daughter of Leiba F 5
VAYNER Enta Leyba daughter of Leiba F 1
VAYNER Bilga Leyba daughter of Leiba F 4 -
VAYNER Borukh Vul'f brother M 17 - 33
VAYNER Mikhel' Leyba nephew of Rafal M 16 1837 died
VAYNER Bentsian Leyba nephew of Rafal M 12 1840 died
VAYNER Itska Leyba nephew of Rafal M 6 - 1848 sent to military service / recruited
VAYNER Khana Itska wife of Borukh F 31
VAYNER Petefera Borukh daughter of Borukh F 2
VAYNER Ginda Vul'f sister of Rafal F 58


27 October 1850 revision lists - petty bourgeois NHABMinsk/333/9/744 Page 55.
https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/jgdetail_2.php

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Town Mir.

VINER Leyba Volf Head of Household M 55 -
VINER Kunya - Wife F 50
VINER Yudes Leyba Daughter F 10
VINER Reyza Leyba Daughter F 8
VINER Movsha Abram Leyba Son M 24
VINER Efroim Leyba Son M 14

20 August 1874Additional Revision Lists NHABMinsk/333/9/843

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Имя Reinaldo Wayner
Пол мужчина
Рождение 25 окт 1939
Buenos Aires
Семейное положение Холостой / незамужем
Иммиграция 1962
Rio De Janeiro, Rio De Janeiro, Brazil
Национальность Argentina
Отец Alejandro Weyner
Мать Clara Socha
Путешествует с детьми No
Цифровой номер папки 004912500
Номер изображения 00082
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Thank you. That is my uncle, who is here in Argentina and still alive. That is probably when he had to got o Brazil or something I guess
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