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Ñîãëàñíà. Ñïàñèáî áîëüøîå!!!
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Ìíå áûëî ïðîùå - óëèöà Ãîñïèòàëüíàÿ ýòî Ìèíñê, ñîâðåìåííàÿ óëèöà Ôðóíçå )
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Äîáðûé âå÷åð è ñïàñèáî çà âàøè îòâåòû!
Äîááè, ìîÿ ñåìüÿ æèëà íà óëèöå Ãîñïèòàëüíàÿ (óëèöà Ôðóíçå) , 26, â êîíöå XIX - íà÷àëå XX âåêà (Èîñåëü Ìîâøîâ Ãëàéõåíãàóç). Âû íå çíàåòå, ÷òî ñåé÷àñ íàõîäèòñÿ íà ýòîì ìåñòå ? ß èñêàë íà Google Êàðòàõ, íî íå íàøåë.

Çàðàíåå áëàãîäàðþ çà âàøè îòâåòû.

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ìîÿ ñåìüÿ æèëà íà óëèöå Ãîñïèòàëüíàÿ (óëèöà Ôðóíçå) , 26, â êîíöå XIX - íà÷àëå XX âåêà (Èîñåëü Ìîâøîâ Ãëàéõåíãàóç). Âû íå çíàåòå, ÷òî ñåé÷àñ íàõîäèòñÿ íà ýòîì ìåñòå ?
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Òðóäíî ñêàçàòü ãäå èìåííî íàõîäèëñÿ äîì 26. ß çíàþ, ÷òî âîåííûé ãîñïèòàëü, áûâøåå çäàíèå êîòîðîãî ñîõðàíèëîñü (ñåé÷àñ òàì ñëåäñòâåííûé êîìèòåò) - ýòî äîì 37. Íåò óêàçàíèÿ, ÷òî äîì ñòîÿë íà ïåðåñå÷åíèè ñ êàêîé-òî óëèöåé?
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Òðóäíî ñêàçàòü ãäå èìåííî íàõîäèëñÿ äîì 26. ß çíàþ, ÷òî âîåííûé ãîñïèòàëü, áûâøåå çäàíèå êîòîðîãî ñîõðàíèëîñü (ñåé÷àñ òàì ñëåäñòâåííûé êîìèòåò) - ýòî äîì 37. Íåò óêàçàíèÿ, ÷òî äîì ñòîÿë íà ïåðåñå÷åíèè ñ êàêîé-òî óëèöåé?
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Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò, ÄÎÁÁÈ! ß ïîñìîòðåë íà êàðòå äâà àäðåñà ìîåé ñåìüè:
- Óëèöà Ãîñïèòàëüíàÿ, 26 (óëèöà Ôðóíçå): ß âèæó íà êàðòå 1903 ãîäà, ÷òî óëèöà óøëà ãîðàçäî íèæå, ÷åì ñåãîäíÿ. ÿ îøèáàþñü?
À â îñòàëüíîì, ÿ äóìàþ, ÷åòíàÿ ñòîðîíà òåïåðü íà ñòîðîíå Ïàðêà Ãîðüêîãî, íå òàê ëè?


- Óãîë óëèöû Çàõàðñêîé (óë. Íåçàâèñèìîñòè) è ñòàðîé Ïîëèöåéñêîé óëèöû: ó ìîåé ñåìüè òàì áûë ñêëàä äðåâåñèíû. À åùå äîì (¹ 121à ïî Òîòó Ìèíñêó 1911 ãîäà).
ß äóìàþ, ìû ñåé÷àñ íà óðîâíå Ãîñóäàðñòâåííîãî öèðêà?

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ß âèæó íà êàðòå 1903 ãîäà, ÷òî óëèöà óøëà ãîðàçäî íèæå, ÷åì ñåãîäíÿ. ÿ îøèáàþñü?
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Êàê ÿ âèæó íà ñîâðåìåííîé êàðòå - óëèöà Ôðóíçå (áûâøàÿ Ãîñïèòàëüíàÿ) èä¸ò òîëüêî äî óëèöû Ïåðâîìàéñêîé íà þãå. Ãîñïèòàëüíàÿ ðàíüøå èçãèáàëàñü íà óðîâíå óëèöû Âåñ¸ëîé (ñåé÷àñ Ïåðâîìàéñêîé) è ïðîäîëæàëàñü íà þã.
Íå íàõîæó ñòàðûõ êàðò ñ íóìåðàöèåé äîìîâ, ïîýòîìó ïîìî÷ü íè÷åì íå ìîãó dntknw.gif
Ñîõðàíèëñÿ ãîñïèòàëü íà óãëó Ôðóíçå è Ïåðâîìàéñêîé (Ãîñïèòàëüíîé è Âåñ¸ëîé). Ñåé÷àñ ýòî óë. Ôðóíçå, 19 (Ñëåäñòâåííûé êîìèòåò Áåëàðóñè). Íàäî óçíàòü ñòàðûé íîìåð äîìà ýòîãî Ãîñïèòàëÿ (ñóùåñòâóåò íà ýòîì ìåñòå ñ 1840 ãîäà) è îò ýòîãî ìåñòà "òàíöåâàòü".

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Çäðàâñòâóéòå, Ñàíäðà!
Ïëàí â äåëå äà¸ò òàêèå òî÷êè:
1) Ïåðåñå÷åíèå Çàõàðüåâñêîé è Ãîñïèòàëüíîé óëèö.
2) Ðåêà Ñâèñëî÷ü, ïðèëåãàþùàÿ ê ýòîìó ïåðåêðåñòêó.
3) À - ñóùåñòâóþùèå äåðåâÿííûå äîìà (íàïèñàíî â ïðàâîì íèæíåì óãëó).
4) Ó÷àñòîê Ãëàéõåíãàóçà - îòìå÷åí áóêâàìè à, b, c, d. Ïëîùàäü - 967 êâàäðàòíûõ ñàæåíåé.
5) (a - b) - ïðèëåãàþò íåïîñðåäñòâåííî ê ðåêå Ñâèñëî÷ü.
6) (b - d) - ïî÷òè ïàðàëëåëüíî Çàõàðüåâñêîé, ìåæäó ó÷àñòêîì è Çàõàðüåâñêîé - íåñêîëüêî äåðåâÿííûõ äîìîâ è äåðåâåíñêàÿ çåìëÿ.
7) Ïîëèöåéñêîé óëèöû íà ïëàíå äåëà - íåò. Òî åñòü ìàëîâåðîÿòíî, ÷òî ó÷àñòîê Ãëàéõåíãàóçà ïðèìûêàë ê íåé.


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Ó ìåíÿ òàêîå âïå÷àòëåíèå, ÷òî îí íàõîäèòñÿ íà óðîâíå ðîçîâîãî êðåñòà íà ïëàíå.
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Ñîãëàñíà. Òîëüêî ìåæäó ó÷àñòêîì è óëèöåé Çàõàðüåâñêîé åñòü íåáîëüøîé ó÷àñòîê ñ äåðåâÿííûìè äîìàìè è äåðåâåíñêàÿ çåìëÿ.

Âíèçó íàäïèñü:
"Ïðîøó ïî ñåìó ïëàíó äîçâîëèòü ìíå îòêðûòü ñêëàä äëÿ ëåñíûõ ìàòåðèàëîâ".
È àâòîãðàô:
"Jîñåëü Ìîâøîâú Ãëàéõåíãàóçú".
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Irina Ol

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Ïîâåðíóëà òèïîãðàôñêóþ êàðòó â ñîîòâåòñòâèå ïëàíó èç àðõèâíîãî äåëà.
Ó÷àñòîê (ïðèìåðíî) abcd:

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Ïîâåðíóëà òèïîãðàôñêóþ êàðòó â ñîîòâåòñòâèå ïëàíó èç àðõèâíîãî äåëà.
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Ìíå òàê ïîíÿòíåå, ÿ ñìîãó îáíîâèòü ïëàí, êîòîðûé îòïðàâëþ ðîäíûì.



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Çäðàâñòâóéòå âñåì!

 íà÷àëå 2024 ãîäà ÿ íà÷àëà èññëåäîâàíèå, ÷òîáû ïðîñëåäèòü èñòîðèþ ñâîèõ ðóññêèõ ïðåäêîâ.

Èõ æèçíü äî ýìèãðàöèè áûëà äëÿ ìåíÿ ñîâåðøåííî íåèçâåñòíà è âñåãäà êàçàëàñü î÷åíü çàãàäî÷íîé.

Ó ìåíÿ áûëî ìàëî èíôîðìàöèè, î÷åíü íåïîëíîé è èíîãäà íåòî÷íîé.

Áîëåå òîãî, ÿ íå ãîâîðþ ïî-ðóññêè è ñîâåðøåííî íè÷åãî íå çíàþ îá èñòîðèè è óñòðîéñòâå ðóññêîãî îáùåñòâà. Ñàìî ñîáîé ðàçóìååòñÿ, ìîè èññëåäîâàíèÿ áûëè íåïðîñòûìè!

È âîò ÿ íàøëà ýòîò ñàéò, áëàãîäàðÿ êîòîðîìó ÿ óçíàëà òàê ìíîãî. Ñåãîäíÿ ÿ ãîðàçäî ëó÷øå ïîíèìàþ æèçíü ìîåé ñåìüè, êîãäà îíè æèëè â Ìèíñêå è Îäåññå. Èõ îêðóæåíèå, èõ ïðîèñõîæäåíèå, èõ ñåìüè... ß äàæå çíàþ, ãäå îíè æèëè â Ìèíñêå. Ýòî íåìíîãî îæèâëÿåò ýòî äàâíî çàáûòîå ïðîøëîå.

Ýòî áûëî áû íåâîçìîæíî áåç ïîìîùè, êîòîðóþ ÿ ïîëó÷èëà çäåñü :

- Irina Ol. Âû ïîÿâèëèñü â ìîìåíò áîëüøîãî ðàçî÷àðîâàíèÿ â ìîèõ èññëåäîâàíèÿõ è ñ òåõ ïîð âñåãäà áûëè ðÿäîì. Âñåãäà äîáðàÿ è îòçûâ÷èâàÿ. Âàøè îáúÿñíåíèÿ âñåãäà áûëè î÷åíü ïîäðîáíûìè, òî÷íûìè è êîððåêòíûìè. Îãðîìíîå ÑÏÀÑÈÁÎ çà âàøó èñêëþ÷èòåëüíóþ ïîìîùü; òî, ÷òî ÿ çíàþ, âî ìíîãîì áëàãîäàðÿ âàøèì èññëåäîâàíèÿì.

- dobby, êîòîðûé ïðåäîñòàâèë ìíå î÷åíü ïîëåçíóþ èíôîðìàöèþ î «äåëàõ» â ÍÈÀÁ â Ìèíñêå, ÷òî ïîçâîëèëî ìíå ïîëó÷èòü î÷åíü èíòåðåñíûå äîêóìåíòû.

- Katarina, êîòîðàÿ ïåðâîé ðàññêàçàëà ìíå î ñåìåéíûõ ñïèñêàõ, íåâåðîÿòíî ïîëåçíîì äîêóìåíòå.

- maksshmel, êîòîðûé ëþáåçíî ïîìîã ìíå, ïðèñëàâ î÷åíü öåííîå çàÿâëåíèå íà ïîëó÷åíèå ïàñïîðòà ìîåãî ïðåäêà è äðóãèå äîêóìåíòû âïîñëåäñòâèè.

- timas è ó÷àñòíèêè ñòðàíèöû «Ïîìîãèòå ïðî÷èòàòü òåêñò â äîêóìåíòàõ ÄÎ 1917ã. - 2024» çà èõ áåñ÷èñëåííóþ è òåðïåëèâóþ ïîìîùü!

- À òàêæå Helen V, êîòîðàÿ ïåðâîé íàâåëà ìåíÿ íà ñëåä ìîåé ïðàáàáóøêè, valcha, tatvos, polops, GrayRam è âñåõ îñòàëüíûõ.

Åùå ðàç ñïàñèáî è ïîçäðàâëÿþ âàñ ñ òåì, ÷òî âû äåëàåòå.

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Hello everyone,

At the beginning of 2024, I began researching to trace my Russian ancestors.
Their lives before they emigrated were completely unknown to me and had always seemed very mysterious.
I had little information, very incomplete and sometimes inaccurate.

Furthermore, I don't speak Russian and know nothing at all about the history and organization of Russian society. Needless to say, my research wasn't easy!

And then I found this site, thanks to which I learned so much. Today, I have a much better understanding of my family's life when they lived in Minsk and Odessa. Their environment, their origins, their families... I even know where they lived in Minsk. It brings a little color to this long-forgotten past.

This wouldn't have been possible without the help I received here :

- Irina Ol. You appeared at a moment of great discouragement in my research and you have always been there since. Always kind and helpful. So thorough in your explanations, always precise and accurate. THANK YOU a thousand times for your exceptional help; what I know comes largely from your research.
- Dobby who gave me very useful information about the "cases" at the NIAB in Minsk, which then allowed me to obtain very interesting files.
- Katarina who first told me about the family lists, an incredibly useful document.
- Maksshmel who graciously helped me by sending me the very valuable passport application file of my ancestor and other documents afterwards.
- Timas and the members of the page Ïîìîãèòå ïðî÷èòàòü òåêñò â äîêóìåíòàõ ÄÎ 1917ã. - 2024 for their countless and patient help!
- And also Helen V who first put me on the trail of my great-grandmother, Valcha, Tatvos, Polops, Gray Ram and all the others.

Thank you again and congratulations on what you do.

Sincerely,
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Òðåòèé (àïåëëÿöèîííûé) äåïàðòàìåíò Ñåíàòà. Äåëî ÷àñòíîå ïî Ìèíñêîé ãóáåðíèè îòñòàâíîãî ïîëêîâíèêà Èâàíà Ëàïïî è æåíû åãî Ñóñàííû ñ åâðåÿìè Êðàâöåì è Ãëàéõåíãàóçîì, îá àðåíäå èìåíèÿ "Ñóçàíïîëÿ".
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