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<title>Famille Orgelsky - Urassov &amp;#224; Irkoutsk vers 1893 - 1912</title>
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<description>  &lt;br&gt;Kudryashkina написал:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[q]&lt;/div&gt;Il y a t-il d&amp;#039;autre information sur les actes civils ? Les dates peuvent varier car en 1917 notre calendrier a &amp;#233;t&amp;#233; chang&amp;#233; (il faut ajouter 13 jours)&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[/q]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bonjour Anastasia,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Merci pour votre message. &lt;br&gt;Je suis conscient de la diff&amp;#233;rence entre les calendriers julien et gr&amp;#233;gorien, mais j&amp;#039;ignore si les dates port&amp;#233;es sur les actes ont &amp;#233;t&amp;#233; converties ou copi&amp;#233;es &amp;#224; l&amp;#039;identique.&lt;br&gt;Concernant l&amp;#039;ascendance d&amp;#039;Eug&amp;#233;nie:&lt;br&gt;- son acte de d&amp;#233;c&amp;#232;s indique que c&amp;#039;est la fille de Johann ORGELSKY et Marie URASSOFF, n&amp;#233;e le 23 f&amp;#233;vrier 1893 &amp;#224; Irkoutsk &lt;br&gt;- un certificat d&amp;#039;identit&amp;#233; fait en 1935 indique les noms de ses parents : ORGELSKY et YOURASKOFF sans les pr&amp;#233;noms, et les m&amp;#234;mes lieu et date de naissance : 23 f&amp;#233;vrier 1893 &amp;#224; Irkoutsk &lt;br&gt;A ce jour, je n&amp;#039;ai trouv&amp;#233; aucune autre information officielle ou publique permettant d&amp;#039;avancer, g&amp;#233;n&amp;#233;alogiquement parlant.&lt;br&gt;Sinon, j&amp;#039;ai m&amp;#233;moire de quelques propos tenus par V&amp;#233;ra, sa fille, disant que Johann ORGELSKY &amp;#233;tait ing&amp;#233;nieur au service du transsib&amp;#233;rien et que Marie URASSOV &amp;#233;tait d&amp;#039;origine noble. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cordialement,&lt;br&gt;Michel&lt;br&gt;  </description>
<dc:creator>rukin</dc:creator>
<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2023 12:41:20 +0300</pubDate>
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<description>  &lt;br&gt;lansel написал:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[q]&lt;/div&gt;I don&amp;#039;t know if you already found information below:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This artist lived in Irkutsk before being executed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nikolai Antonovich Orgelsky&lt;br&gt;Birthdate: 1888&lt;br&gt;Birthplace: Don region, Mankovo-Kalitvenskaya settlement&lt;br&gt;Death: October 16, 1938 (49-50) (executed)&lt;br&gt;Link&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Josef Orgelsky&lt;br&gt;Birth: Russia&lt;br&gt;Resident: Poland&lt;br&gt;Immigrated to US though Germany&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[/q]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, I did not know this information. Anyway, thank you for these new elements.&lt;br&gt;-- &lt;br&gt;Michel  </description>
<dc:creator>rukin</dc:creator>
<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2023 00:17:59 +0300</pubDate>
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<description>  &lt;br&gt;rukin написал:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[q]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because of the first name (Johann) I thought the surname was of Polish origin. I will therefore also focus on Ukrainian and Belarusian sources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[/q]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can assume that Johann - it might be Иоанн as old version name of Ivan (Иван). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&amp;#039;t know if you already found information below:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This artist lived in Irkutsk before being executed:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Nikolai Antonovich Orgelsky&lt;br&gt;Birthdate: 1888&lt;br&gt;Birthplace: Don region, Mankovo-Kalitvenskaya settlement&lt;br&gt;Death: October 16, 1938 (49-50) (executed)&lt;br&gt;&lt;script type='text/javascript'&gt;document.write('&lt;a href="https://www.geni.com/people/Николай-Оржельский/6000000052959178044" rel="nofollow" target=_blank&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;');&lt;/script&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Josef Orgelsky &lt;br&gt;Birth: Russia&lt;br&gt;Resident: Poland&lt;br&gt;Immigrated to US though Germany&lt;br&gt;&lt;script type='text/javascript'&gt;document.write('&lt;a href="https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVR3-WK5Y?cid=fs_copy" rel="nofollow" target=_blank&gt;Link on familysearch&lt;/a&gt;');&lt;/script&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  </description>
<dc:creator>lansel</dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 19 Apr 2023 23:01:52 +0300</pubDate>
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<description>  &lt;br&gt;lansel написал:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[q]&lt;/div&gt;Here is an article about the surname Urassov ( Юрасов) Link&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[/q]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you for this well documented article.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In France, the name "URASSOV" has also been transcribed in other ways by the administrative authorities: "YOURASKOFF" and "URASSOFF". And I found, on a note that I had written in 1979 (according to Vera&amp;#039;s pronunciation): "OUROUSSOV".&lt;br&gt;-- &lt;br&gt;Michel  </description>
<dc:creator>rukin</dc:creator>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:39:34 +0300</pubDate>
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<description>  &lt;br&gt;lansel написал:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[q]&lt;/div&gt;It looks like the origin of surname Orgelsky ( Оржельский) is from Ukraine / Belorussia.&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[/q]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi lansel, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because of the first name (Johann) I thought the surname was of Polish origin. I will therefore also focus on Ukrainian and Belarusian sources.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I learned last month that on the register of his funeral place (Cath&amp;#233;drale Saint-Alexandre-Nevsky de Paris), the identity of Eug&amp;#233;nie was written as follows: Евгения Ивановна Рукина, рожд. Оржельская.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thank you very much for your answer.&lt;br&gt;-- &lt;br&gt;Michel&lt;br&gt;  </description>
<dc:creator>rukin</dc:creator>
<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2023 11:21:11 +0300</pubDate>
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<description>  &lt;br&gt;rukin написал:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[q]&lt;/div&gt;Je recherche toute information concernant les parents d&amp;#039;Eug&amp;#233;nie n&amp;#233;e le 23 f&amp;#233;vrier 1893 (*) &amp;#224; Irkoutsk : Johann ORGELSKY et Maria URASSOV.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A titre d&amp;#039;information compl&amp;#233;mentaire : Eug&amp;#233;nie a donn&amp;#233; naissance &amp;#224; Vera le le 14 aout 1912 (*) &amp;#224; Irkoutsk.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;D&amp;#039;avance merci.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(*) dates relev&amp;#233;es sur des actes d&amp;#039;&amp;#233;tat-civil fran&amp;#231;ais&lt;br&gt;-- &lt;br&gt;Michel&lt;div style="height:1px;width:1px;overflow:hidden"&gt;[/q]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hi Rukin,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It looks like the origin of surname Orgelsky ( Оржельский) is from Ukraine / Belorussia.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is an article about the surname Urassov ( Юрасов) &lt;script type='text/javascript'&gt;document.write('&lt;a href="https://proza.ru/2016/03/29/2243" rel="nofollow" target=_blank&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;');&lt;/script&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;  </description>
<dc:creator>lansel</dc:creator>
<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2023 19:42:37 +0300</pubDate>
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<description>  Je recherche toute information concernant les parents d&amp;#039;Eug&amp;#233;nie n&amp;#233;e le 23 f&amp;#233;vrier 1893 (&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt;) &amp;#224; Irkoutsk : Johann ORGELSKY et Maria URASSOV.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A titre d&amp;#039;information compl&amp;#233;mentaire : Eug&amp;#233;nie a donn&amp;#233; naissance &amp;#224; Vera le le 14 aout 1912 (&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt;) &amp;#224; Irkoutsk.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;D&amp;#039;avance merci.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt;) dates relev&amp;#233;es sur des actes d&amp;#039;&amp;#233;tat-civil fran&amp;#231;ais&lt;br&gt;-- &lt;br&gt;Michel  </description>
<dc:creator>rukin</dc:creator>
<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2023 11:33:05 +0300</pubDate>
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