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Êóäà çàïèñûâàòü ôàìèëèè ìóæ÷èí?  êàêîå ïîëå?
 ïîëå "ôàìèëèÿ" èëè "ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè"?
Ïî èäåå, "ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè" - ýòî äåâè÷üÿ ôàìèëèÿ, à íå ïî ïàñïîðòó.
È ó Ïóøêèíà ñ Ìåíäåëååâûì â ïîëå "ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè ïóñòî".
Íî ïîñëå èìïîðòà gedcom ôàìèëèè ìóæ÷èí çàïèñàëèñü â ïîëå "ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè".
È ÿ ñòàë ïåðåíîñèòü ýòè ôàìèëèè èç ïîëÿ "ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè" â ïîëå "ôàìèëèÿ".
È ïîñëå ýòîãî íà òàêèõ ïåðñîíàõ ñòàëè ïîÿâëÿòüñÿ îøèáêè "íå óêàçàíà ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè".
È ó Ïóøêèíà òàêàÿ îøèáêà, ÷òî-ëè?
Ìîæåò íàäî çàïîëíÿòü ôàìèëèÿìè îáà ïîëÿ?
Èëè ïîëå "ôàìèëèÿ" (çàïîëíÿåòñÿ èç gedcom èç ñòðîêè _MARNM), òîëüêî ïðè íàëè÷èè áðàêà ó ìóæ÷èí?
Êàê ó íèõ òàì ïî ïðàâèëàì íóæíî?

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Ñ òåõ ïîð ëè÷íî ÿ ñòàðàþñü çàïîëíÿòü îáà ïîëÿ

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Ñïàñèáî çà îòâåò.

apuzanoff íàïèñàë:

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... è ìóæñêèå ïðîôèëè ñ ïóñòîé ôàìèëèåé ïðè ðîæäåíèè íà÷àëè âûãðóæàòüñÿ â gedcom âîîáùå áåç ôàìèëèè

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Ó ìåíÿ íîðìàëüíî. Êîãäà äåëàë ýêñïîðò äëÿ àíàëèçà èç Geni â ÄÆ, òî âñå "ôàìèëèè ïðè ðîæäåíèè" ïîïàëè â ÄÆ â äåâè÷üè ôàìèëèè, â ñêîáêàõ, òàê è äîëæíî áûëî áûòü, ïîýòîìó ÿ ñòàë ìàññîâî ïåðåíîñèòü ìóæñêèå ôàìèëèè èç "ïðè ðîæäåíèè" â òåêóùóþ ôàìèëèþ.
À òåïåðü âîò äóìàþ îñòàíîâèòüñÿ è äàëüøå çàïîëíÿòü îáå ôàìèëèè, íî íóæíî ïîñìîòðåòü êàê ïðè ýòîì ïðîéä¸ò òåñòîâûé ýêñïîðò gedcom â ÄÆ.
Íà Geni âîò ÷òî íàïèñàíî ïðî "ôàìèëèè ïðè ðîæäåíèè":

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The concept of a "maiden name" or "birth name" (that is, family surname of women prior to marriage) is culturally and historically specific and not universal. Most curators agree that the birth name field should be used for birth names or original names. In most historical profiles, especially in those prior to the 1600s, the Last Name should be the same as Birth Name. Please do not put married (i.e., husbands') names under Last Name field for women in pre-1700 Europe or other locations where it's historically inaccurate. Currently, the use of Last Name as married name for women is quite controversial and is used primarily for more recent (e.g., Colonial American) profiles but should only be used in periods and locations that such things existed. Please remember not to force your own cultural conventions on the past or on other cultures. It would be fine to include a variation with the husband's surname in the AKA section, so that it helps with searching and matching technology.

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https://wiki.geni.com/index.php/Naming_Conventions
Íî ìíå ýòî ìàëî ÷òî ïðîÿñíèëî.
ß ñäåëàë îïðîñ íà òåìó "êòî êàê çàïîëíÿåò ýòè äâà ïîëÿ ó ìóæ÷èí" â ãåíåàëîãè÷åñêîì Telegram-êàíàëå, ÷òîáû ïîñìîòðåòü êàê äðóãèå ÷àùå âñåãî çàïîëíÿþò ýòè ïîëÿ, ó êîãî åñòü Telegram, ïðåäëàãàþ ïðîãîëîñîâàòü, òàì äàæå ê êàíàëó ïîäêëþ÷àòüñÿ íå íóæíî äëÿ ýòîãî:
https://t.me/gen_rod/411
Ïîêà òàêèå ðåçóëüòàòû:
P.S. Ïîýêñïåðèìåíòèðîâàë ñ ýêñïîðòîì â gedcom ðàçíûõ âàðèàíòîâ íàïèñàíèÿ ôàìèëèé ìóæ÷èí.
Åñëè çàïîëíåíà òîëüêî "ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè", òî îíà è âûãðóçèòñÿ êàê äåâè÷üÿ (â ñòðîêó SURN) è ïðè èìïîðòå â ÄÆ òàêàÿ ôàìèëèÿ áóäåò â ñêîáêàõ ó ìóæ÷èíû.
Íî, åñëè çàïîëíåíû îáà ïîëÿ ("ïðè ðîæäåíèè" è "ôàìèëèÿ â áðàêå" (òåêóùàÿ)) è â ýòèõ ïîëÿõ ôàìèëèè îäèíàêîâûå, òî íà ýêñïîðò èä¸ò òîëüêî îäíà èç äâóõ îäèíàêîâûõ ôàìèëèé, òîëüêî êàê òåêóùàÿ, à ôàìèëèè ïðè ðîæäåíèè íà âûõîäå íåò è â gedcom è ïîòîì â ÄÆ âñ¸ áóäåò êðàñèâî.
Âûâîäû òàêèå: çàïîëíÿòü ìóæ÷èíàì òîëüêî "ôàìèëèþ ïðè ðîæäåíèè" - íåïðàâèëüíî.
Çàïîëíÿòü òîëüêî "òåêóùóþ ôàìèëèþ" ìîæíî, íî íà ñàéòå áóäóò îøèáêè "íå õâàòàåò ôàìèëèè ïðè ðîæäåíèè".
Çàïîëíÿòü îáå ôàìèëèè ìîæíî è ýòî äàæå ëó÷øå, ýòî íå èñïîðòèò ýêñïîðòíûé gedcom è íå áóäåò îøèáîê íà ñàéòå, òèïà "íå õâàòàåò ôàìèëèè ïðè ðîæäåíèè".
Áûëî áû ëó÷øå, ÷òîáû ó ìóæ÷èí, ïî óìîë÷àíèþ, íå áûëî ïîëÿ "ôàìèëèÿ ïðè ðîæäåíèè", è ÷òîáû ýòî ïîëå ìîæíî áûëî áû äîáàâëÿòü íóæíîé ïåðñîíå òîëüêî ïðè íåîáõîäèìîñòè.
Íî ò.ê. Geni ýòîãî íå ñäåëàåò, áóäó çàïîëíÿòü ïîêà äàëüøå îáå ôàìèëèè.

×òî-òî ÷åðåç gedcom òåêóùèå ôàìèëèè íå îñîáî èìïîðòèðóþòñÿ.
Èìïîðòèðóþòñÿ òîëüêî ôàìèëèè ïðè ðîæäåíèè.
Äåëàþ òàê:

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1 NAME Ëþáîâü Èâàíîâíà /Ïåòðîâà/
2 GIVN Ëþáîâü Èâàíîâíà
2 SURN Ïåòðîâà
2 _MARNM Ñèäîðîâà
1 SEX F

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×òî íå òàê?
Èëè òåêóùàÿ ôàìèëèÿ íè ó êîãî íå èìïîðòèðóåòñÿ?
Åñëè èìïîðòèðóåòñÿ, êàê âû ýòîãî äîáèëèñü? Êàê ó âàñ âûãëÿäèò ôðàãìåíò gedcom ïåðñîíû ïðè èìïîðòå?

À Ïîñëåäíåå ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà íå ñîõðàíÿåòñÿ, åñëè ââîäèòü êèðèëëèöåé â îäíîé ñòðîêå íåñòàíäàðòíîå íàçâàíèå?
Ê ïðèìåðó, ïèøó òàì "ñ. Àíòîíîâêà, Ïèðÿòèíñêèé ó., Ïîëòàâñêàÿ ãóá., Ðîññèéñêàÿ èìïåðèÿ".
Ïîñëå ñîõðàíåíèÿ æìó "ðåäàêòèðîâàòü", à â ýòîì ïîëå ïóñòî.
×òîáû âñ¸ ñîõðàíèëîñü, íóæíî òîëüêî â îòäåëüíûõ ïîëÿõ çàïîëíÿòü ÷åðåç "Óòî÷íèòü ìåñòî"?
Èëè íà Geni íåëüçÿ óêàçûâàòü óåçäû è ãóáåðíèè?

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... íà ïðîôèëå "Åùå"->"Ïåðåìåñòèòü ïðîôèëü", ïðîôèëü áóäåò ïîìåùåí â ïðàâûé âåðõíèé óãîë ýêðàíà, ïîòîì...

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Áîëüøîå ñïàñèáî!

az_ íàïèñàë:

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Äîáðûé äåíü, ñêàæèòå ïîæàëóéñòà, ïðàâèëüíî ëè ÿ ïîíèìàþ ÷òî â Geni Basic íå ïîëó÷èòñÿ íîðìàëüíî çàãðóçèòü GEDCOM ïîòîìó ÷òî èìïîðò îñòàíîâèòñÿ íà ñîâïàäåíèè êîòîðîå íóæíî áóäåò ïîäòâåðäèòü èëè îòêëîíèòü, à äëÿ ïîäòâåðæäåíèÿ èëè îòêëîíåíèÿ íóæåí Geni Pro?

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Èìïîðò âåòêè áóäåò çàáëîêèðîâàí åñëè â îêðåñòíîñòÿõ ïåðñîíû, äëÿ êîòîðîé âûïîëíÿåòñÿ èìïîðò, ñóùåñòâóþò ñîâïàäåíèÿ âíóòðè geni.
×òîáû ïðîäîëæèòü èìïîðò, íóæíî ðàçðåøèòü ñîâïàäåíèÿ (îáúåäèíèòü èëè îòêëîíèòü).
Íà áåñïëàòíîì òàðèôå ìîæíî ðàçðåøèòü ñîâïàäåíèÿ ïóò¸ì èõ îòêëîíåíèÿ, äëÿ ýòîãî ìîæíî âðåìåííî èçìåíèòü èìåíà ó ñîâïàäàåìûõ ïåðñîí, âûïîëíèòü èìïîðò, à ïîòîì âåðíóòü èçìåí¸ííûå èìåíà íà ìåñòî.

apuzanoff íàïèñàë:

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Áåç çàïîëíåíèÿ äåòàëüíîãî àäðåñà èñòîðè÷åñêèé àäðåñ íåëüçÿ çàïîëíèòü íè â îäíîì èç ðàçäåëîâ: ìåñòî ðîæäåíèÿ/ïîñëåäíåå ìåñòî æèòåëüñòâà/ìåñòî ñìåðòè/ìåñòî ïîãðåáåíèÿ

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×åðåç èìïîðò gedcom ó ìåíÿ óñïåøíî ñîõðàíèëèñü ìåñòà ðîæäåíèÿ, âðó÷íóþ - äà, íå ñîõðàíÿþòñÿ.
Äëÿ îáëåã÷åíèÿ ðó÷íîãî ââîäà ìåñò â îòäåëüíûå ïîëÿ (Ãîðîä, Îêðóã, Ðåãèîí, Ñòðàíà) óäîáíî âêëþ÷èòü íà êîìïüþòåðå ìíîæåñòâåííûé (ìíîãîêîìïîíåíòíûé) áóôåð îáìåíà.