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Последние 30 сообщений PhizikТема: Find a marriage record in Ryazan District ?
2.06.2024, 16:44
Hello everyone,
Thanks to your help on this topic : https://forum.vgd.ru/151/127946/#last
I was able to finally find the true identity of my great-great-grand-mother born in Polivanovo (Ryazan) the 8th of November 1896.
As i'm not very familiar with Russian website and genealogy in general, is there any way to find more about her parents / grand-parents and so on ?
Is there a way to find informations about her parents (Feodor Emelyanov CERKASOV and Paraskeva Nikiforova) and their marriage ?
Thanks very much for your help !
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
22.09.2023, 21:51
СТАРМАР написал:[q] Joseph Ignatievich Gutel - in June 1918 in foster care.
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Hello !
Thanks for your message.
Where exactly is the text about Gutel on your screenshot, so that i can ask for a transcription/translation ?
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
27.07.2023, 15:39
SrostyVyatkiny написал:[q] Hi there, I don't have time to read every post here. So, while looking through books of records of Voskresenskay church in Pavlovskiy Posad (Resurrection Church of Pavlovsky Posad, Bogorodsk province) I found a marriage record - 09/01/1882, Austrian citizen Josef Ignatiev Gyutl, catholic, III marriage, 39 yo (Josef Ignatiev Gyutl - Austrian subject, Catholic, third marriage, 39 years old) https://cgamos.ru/metric-books/203/203-780/203_780_114/ page # 208
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Hi !
Thanks you very much for your message. Unfortunately, Josef was born in 1893 so the marriage can't fit :/
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Тема: Find marriage of Josef Hüttel and Matryona Cherkasova
23.04.2023, 16:58
Hi Lancel !
Thanks ! I already had it thanks to another member of the forum, but it can help find the marriage record (parish registers of the church maybe ?).
Is there any way to find the marriage record using the same technique you used to find this baptism record ?
Thanks for your time !
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Тема: Find marriage of Josef Hüttel and Matryona Cherkasova
12.07.2022, 12:38
Hello !
Thanks to this forum, i found what was the real name of the wife « Matryona Feodorovna Cherkasova ».
Besides, i found at the back of an old picture (that nobody knew we had), the date of their marriage (29th of April 1915).
They probably married in Moscow or in Polivanovo (Ryazan).
Is there any possibilities for me to get this marriage record ?
Thanks for your help !
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
19.01.2022, 10:45
Helen V написал:[q]
Phizik wrote:
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Parents : Peasant Feodor Emelyanov CHERKASOV and Paraskeva NIKIFOROVA
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Parents : Peasant Feodor Emelyanov CHERKASOV and Paraskeva Nikiforova CHERKASOVA ?
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Father : Feodor Emelyanov CHERKASOV (a peasant)
Mother : Paraskeva NIKIFOROVA
The mother's family name isn't CHERKASOV (according to the birth record, it is not mentionned).
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
19.01.2022, 0:14
jrw написал:[q]
Phizik wrote:
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Andrei Grigoriev Cherkasov
Cherkasov Fedor Andreevich, possibly the son of Andrei Grigorievich.
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/person-hero92897112
I think he looks like your grandfather. Je pense qu'il ressemble à votre grand-père.[/q]
Both your finding and how they look like each other is incredible !
We would need the birth record on 30/9/1906 in Polivanovo (Ryazan) to confirm it. Then we would need to discover who this Andrei Gregoriev CHERKASOV really is.
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
18.01.2022, 23:30
Helen V написал:[q]
Phizik wrote:
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Parents : Peasant Feodor Emelyanov CHERKASOV
Now it's my turn)))
Central State Administration of Moscow
Judicial Chamber.
131-9-181 "Representations of the prosecutors of different provinces on strikes, 1906"
a certain Cherkasov Fedor Emelyanovich
Phizik is mentioned in the case:
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(thank kursha19)
Are there other children of Fedor?
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Interesting, is there a way to go a little deeper in the judicial case ?
I have no informations about other children of Fedor, i just have the birth record of Matrona.
Tho, i can' ask kursha19 if he saw other children, but i don't think he would remember anything.
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
18.01.2022, 22:06
Ok, so we finally got the birth record of Matrona ! (thanks kursha19)
Born in Polivanovo on 8th of November 1896, baptized the 10th.
Parents : Peasant Feodor Emelyanov CHERKASOV and Paraskeva NIKIFOROVA (both orthodox faith) from Polivanovo.
Recipients : Peasants Andrei Grigoriev Cherkasov and Pelageya Evstigneeva Glushkova of the same village
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
18.01.2022, 22:01
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя valcha от 18 января 2022 14:30
Of course, sorry. I try to read all the messages you all send, but as i do not receive any notification about it, i just connect myself from time to time to check if there are new messages. It's possible that i missed some of them, sorry again !
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
15.01.2022, 13:30
Thanks for you different responses.
So with the birth record, we shouldn't be able to find the place of the marriage (if only the place of residence of the father is mentionned)...
We can just "hope" that the marriage is in Polivanovo then ?
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
15.01.2022, 0:57
That's interesting.
In Czech Republic, the marriage is often in the birth city of the bride, is there something similar in Russia ?
(because i don't think we can check if the marriage is in the correct city, before paying somebody to get the record)
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
14.01.2022, 23:18
kursha19 is going to the archives on 17th of january 2022 to look for the birth (or baptism) record of Matryona Feodorovna CHERKASOVA.
So we'll have the record in a few days.
What can we expect from it. I know what's in the french records but what information can we found on russian birth records ? What will we have to do after that ?
Thanks again for eveything you've done !
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
13.01.2022, 17:45
kbg_dnepr написал:[q] Phizik , tu as besoin d'une photo ? ou juste l'aide est-elle suffisante?[/q]
Well, i would like to have a photo of the record.
I can make the request via email but i don't think i would be able to pay...
I sent the email saying that before i guarantee payment, i would like to know by what mean the payment will be done.
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Тема: famille Zoubovsky (Zubovsky)
13.01.2022, 17:38
baguio написал:[q] bonjour, je recherche des informations sur la famille zoubovsky ou subovsky: les enfants sont vera, vladimir, pierre et tamara.les parents piotr marie à anna illarionovna ornatoff
merci
amicalement
baguio[/q]
Bonjour à vous !
Plus d'informations sont nécessaires pour commencer les recherches.
Où vivaint-ils ? Quand ? etc.
Certains se sont-ils naturalisés en France ?
Sont-ils décédés en France, où/quand ?
Même si les informations ne sont pas précises, il nous faut un point de départ.
Faites un récapitulatif complet de tout ce que vous savez sur eux en un gros message, et on verra ce que l'on peut faire 
N'hésitez pas à faire traduire les pages automatiquement par Google Traduction si vous ne parlez pas le russe ou l'anglais!
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
13.01.2022, 16:42
I found the document to complete in order to make a request, but there is a problem.
Some of the necessary things to complete don't exist in France (for example SNILS number)...
Should i send another e-mail to ask them ?
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
13.01.2022, 16:28
The archives told me : Стоимость работы по поиску о рождении составит 921,89 руб., независимо от результата. Мы работаем по заявлению. Образцы заявлений на нашем сайте.
So yeah, 900 rubles looks good to me, because 5000... 
I'll take a look at their website to see if i can find the way to make a request !
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
12.01.2022, 19:36
jrw написал:[q]
Phizik a écrit :
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Un genealogist demandait 5000 roubles pour la recherche
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C'est le montant total ? Ou juste une avance pour trouver d'éventuelles informations ?
Phizik a écrit :
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Mais, sur le site des archives, il est écrit qu'ils ne fournissent pas de copies des actes de l'état civil... ( https://garo62.ru/services/42/ en bas de page)
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Mais nous devons d'abord trouver les informations à copier. La recherche coûte aussi de l'argent.[/q]
5000 rubles is for the research of the birth record.
What do you mean by "you must find informations to copy" ?
I've tried to reach the archives by email, but the email you gave me doesn't work...
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
12.01.2022, 19:00
>> Ответ на сообщение пользователя jrw от 10 января 2022 23:15
I can't find the email adress or even the website of the Riazan archives, would you be able to send it to me please ?
Around how much is the price of a research ? (approximation, i know it fluctuates).
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Тема: Josef Hüttel - searching for wife Maria Fedorovna
10.01.2022, 23:08
jrw написал:[q]
Phizik a écrit :
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OlgaKorn va bien, est-ce que quelqu'un nous a déjà prévenu de ce que nous recherchons, ou dois-je la contacter en privé pour lui demander ?
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Vous pouvez contacter Olga Korn. Prestations payées sur une base contractuelle. Es-tu prêt pour ça?[/q]
Well xD Why not, if it's the only way to go further, of course, it's not 35€ that will discourage me to continue my russian genealogy...
But of course, if there is a way to find informations before having to pay, it would be good !
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Тема: ФРАНЦИЯ
10.01.2022, 23:02
jimmy написал:[q] Salut!
S'il vous plaît, aidez-moi à déchiffrer un autre acte de naissance.[/q]
In French : "Le neuf mai mil neuf cent quatorze à neuf heure du soir est née rue Chaliques 19 bis, Mathilde, du sexe féminin, de Isaac Habramovitch, quarante trois ans, peintre et de Sarah Kabelliac, quarante deux ans sans profession son épouse, domiciliés rue de l'Hôtel de ville 20. Dressé par nous le douze mai mil neuf cent quatorze à dix heures et demie du matin, sur présentation de l'enfant et déclaration faite à défaut du père, par Pierre DEFFOR (not sure about the family name), trente cinq ans, employé, demeurant rue chaliques 19 bis ayant assisté à l'accouchement. En présence de Alphonse LABEROU et de Marcel PIVONNE, employés, demeurant même adresse, qui, lecture faite, ont signé avec le déclarant et nous Faustin Emile CAILLETTE, adjoint au maire du douzième arrondissement de Paris."
(you can try to google translate, there is a little summary ) : Birth of Mathilde the 9th of may 1914 at 21h00. Daughter of Isaac HABRAMOVITCH (43 years old, Painter) and Sarah KABELLIAC (42 years old, without profession). They lived 20, Rue de l'Hôtel de ville, Paris 12ème ("Hôtel de ville" meaning "city hall", so they probably lived near the city hall !). Side information : the father wasn't present to declare his child (maybe he was with the mother..?).
If you need any more details, do not hesitate to ask !
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