Вагнер и Керн из Гларуса / Wagner & Kern from Glarus

Мэйл Артура Вагнера, потомка из Гларус grawin@t-online.de
Его родословная http://www.myheritage.de/site-...lie-wagner
Pedigree of A. Wagner from Glarus

Cindy1955

Please, provide us with a list of you ancestors in a following way:

1. Person name. B&D dates (exact or tentative). Date of immigration and/or emigration.
2. Person name. B&D dates (exact or tentative). Date of immigration and/or emigration.
3. Person name. B&D dates (exact or tentative). Date of immigration and/or emigration.
....

Then show family ties.

It will help a lot to us to get an idea about your family an, in turn, will help us to perform a more accurate search for you.

Dear Andre:

I tried to figure out a way to make this easy to understand and do not think I accomplished it. I started with the oldest known relative in Glarus, Russia and continued the relationships to me. If it does not make sense please let me know.

1. Heinrich Wagner b. unknown d. unknown lived in Glarus, Russia married to:
2. Marie Unterberg Wagner b. unknown d. unknown lived in Glarus, Russia
Known children:
3. Johannes Wagner b. unknown d. unknown lived born in Glarus, Russia
4. Peter Wagner b. around 1879 d. unknown lived in Glarus, Russia (I) 13 May 1913 Baltimore, Maryland, port of departure Bremen, Germany on ship Cassel, no record of return to Russia, just what family members told me. Married to ( 7.) Marie Wagner living in Glarus, Russia
5. Emelie Wagner b. 06 Aug 1888 in Glarus, Russia d. 06 Aug 1888 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin (I) immigration 5 May 1913 Baltimore, Maryland, port of departure: Bremen, Germany on ship Brandenberg. Married to (8.) Levin Kern
6. Nicholaus Wagner b. 17 Jul 1893 in Glarus, Russia d. 8/13/1963 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin 09 May 1913 Baltimore, Maryland, port of departure: Bremen, Germany on ship Cassel (name on registry is Johannes Wagner) Married to: (11). Clara Lindert
Known relationships:
7. Marie Wagner, living in Glarus, Russia Wife of Peter Wagner
8. Levin Kern b. 09 Feb 1888 Glarus, Russia d. 27 August 1974 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin married to Emelie Wagner in Glarus, Russia on 19 Jan 1910.
(I): 5 May 1913 Baltimore, Maryland, port of departure: Bremen, Germany on ship Brandenberg.
9. Emma Kern b. 19 Nov 1910 in Glarus, Russia, d. 30 August 1989 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin (I): 5 May 1913 Baltimore, Maryland, port of departure: Bremen, Germany on ship Brandenberg. Daughter of Emelie Wagner Kern and Levin Kern.
10. Hermina Kern b. 13 January 1913 Glarus, Russia d. 4 July 1996 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. (I): 5 May 1913 Baltimore, Maryland, port of departure: Bremen, Germany on ship Brandenberg. Daughter of Emelie Wagner Kern and Levin Kern.
11. Clara Lindert b. 26 October 1899 in Silesia, Germany d. 7 Mar 1977 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin married to Nicholaus Wagner in Detroit, Michigan 9 June 1919 (I): 2 May 1908 New York, NY
12. Olga Wagner b. 04 May 1920 in Detroit, Michigan d. 31 Jan 1996 in Plymouth, Wisconsin, daughter of Nicholaus Wagner and Clara Lindert married Clarence Grafenstein 15 June 1941 One son, Van Grafenstein*
13. Rita Wagner b. 07 Dec 1924 d. 24 Oct 2000 daughter of Nicholaus Wagner and Clara Lindert, married Walter Joseph Friese Jr. on 9 October 1946.
Three children, Claudia, Walter Joseph, and Cindy Friese (me!)

* My Uncle Clarence Grafenstein's father David Grafenstein was born in Zurich, Russia (I believe this is a settlement close to Glarus on the Volga River). b. 26 Mar 1890 in Zurich d. 18 Apr 1963 in Sheboygan, Wisconsin married to Emilie Lutz b. 02 Oct 1893 in Anders, Russia married 25 December 1912 Christ Hichelman Eben-Aiden Lutheran Church in Zurich, Russia

Many German Russians from that area settled in Sheboygan, Wisconsin.

Thanks again for your help, you cannot know what this means to me.

Cindy Friese

Cindy1955


Cindy1955 написал:

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I tried to figure out a way to make this easy to understand and do not think I accomplished it.

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It helps a lot. Thanks.

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Here is a copy of email that I send to you with a couple of docs, which are to big to be attached here.

Please find a couple of docs, which I found at MyHeritage web-site. I have a subscription and I was able to download it.

The information from docs is different (slightly) from what you wrote at VGD.ru forum. I do not know did you use archives in your research but I want to give these docs to you. The docs are from US Census 1930 and 1940. I think Peter Wagner is not your relative, but this person is the closest person with data you gave me.

An important question when (approximately) Peter Wagner has returned to Russia. I was not able to find an exact date of Peter's arrival to US. It might help a lot, since his official name could be different from what you think. For example, my ancestors with polish root were living in England about 1915-1930. Their last names (Bujanowki) are very common in Poland, but in docs their last names are written as Bonianovsky.

About Peter. With information you gave me I have looked at the database of Stalin's terror victims.
Here is: Peter Andrey Wagner, 1878-1838б killed. Andrey is the name of his father but during USSR epoch, it was a normal thing when people change their names in order either to escape from terror or save their own family.

To do more, we need more information. Do you have any photos? It was a common in Russia to make notes on photos with dates, places and names. In addition, there could be a sign of a photo company where a photo was created. If you have something like this, it might help you.

With best regards, Andrey Maslennikov
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In addition, I would suggest to collect as much information as possible from US archives. I know that they are organized well, especially immigration docs, so most probably you will be able to find an exact dates and so on. All records are not digitized yet so an inquiry to archive may be required.

The problem is Russia is that due to stupid communistic government our archives are very poorly organized. This implies that in general you need to know an exact number of a folder in archive and archive as well, to get information what you want to get.

kbg_dnepr написал:

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Well, I think Andrey could very well be the Russian version of Heinrich.

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I am not sure, since Heinrich is a common name, well known in Russia. In addition, there are about 5 people with Heinrich as their middle name who were killed.


kbg_dnepr написал:

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It would be great to look in his KGB file... Is it possible for foreigners? For my american "cousin" I sent inquiries from here.

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In this situation it is impossible. It could be possible if a letter will be written in Russian language, if a person will provide all docs, which are proof a direct relationship with a person which profile is requested and if the US Embassy in Moscow will provide some kind of supporting letter.

Another way, that might works is that someone from Russia, will send a request asking about a particular repressed person. In this case they will at least answer and provide some general information about a requested person and his family. This is possible. Anyway, since this archive is under the regulations of the Federal Security Service they could decline any access to a particular profile due to secrecy reasons.